When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral.
Thank you for this. The greatest anger is directed toward those who dare to ask questions, without wondering why people would be skeptical after being incessantly lied to for years about almost everything.
Maybe instead of ridiculing the skeptics, we should be angry at those in politics and the press who’ve given them so many valid reasons to doubt:
Bill I appreciate your efforts to have people look at BOTH sides and look at the money trail regarding this conflict. When do gas prices in the US DROP during conflict in the Middle East? It’s an election year. US (the elite) have a trillions of dollars money issue. And what is the solution? SPEND MONEY ON WAR and divert and divide the country. Where there weapons of mass destruction the last time the US HAD to take action against the evil terrorists?
Osama had one very good point. We the American people have voted and allowed this nonsense for decades. Hello? America doesn’t “Win” in the Ukraine “war”. And America doesn’t “win” in military action against Palestinians. We the people lose big time.
Does anyone ever ask themselves, who is behind keeping the conflict between Israel and Palestine active? Does the US have an interest in ever having peace in the Middle East really? This is an ancient, tribal, conflict, that the US and England stuck their nose in years ago. Let’s follow the money trails - who has gained from this? it’s not the children being killed. Maybe it’s time for the United States to show some humanity and use some discernment and ask themselves some hard questions. The US gave Israel the military weapons and strength to obliterate the 140 miles “given” to Palestine. We (the US) have done the same to American Indians who we obliterated and “gave” reservations to. Again follow the money trail who benefit from all this it’s not the citizens, and yet we hold the power to change it.
Wake the heck up people and stop following the party lines (yes both) and ask some questions. Don’t be singularly, fear focused as you have been led to be. Do you think life’s really gonna look pretty after another nuclear war?
Thank you for giving me the space to rant about something that’s been bothering me for a long time.
Who is behind the conflict? satan, of course. He influences people to act in their own self interest (sorry, Randians), which results in the world as we know it. You haven't seen anything yet, this selfishness idea will reach it's inevitable, logical conclusion, and sooner than later. But God and His Son are still there, actively seeking you out, and waiting.
Patti I'm so much with you it brings tears to my eyes to read your intelligent lament .. like word in my heart I could hardly find but you expressed them perfectly ... thank you!
Oh Mr. Bonner, you are so off the mark in the last few days that I felt compelled to comment. I usually look forward to reading your daily missives, appreciating both your knowledge of history and perspective. However, perhaps you need to spend some time brushing up on the history of Israel and the Palestinian conflict. Yes, every child's death in Gaza is awful and regrettable. Even the death of every Hamas warrior is. They are sons, fathers brothers etc. However, sometimes you have to open your eyes a bit more...What happened last Saturday in the South of Israel basically the same as a random attack on the US killing 32,000 civilians (if you use ratio of casualties to population). What would you do? It is not about revenge, it is about reducing the possibility of such an attack happening again (and if not the possibility, maybe the frequency). And yes, innocent people will die.
Finally had a chance to watch this. You have to register, but the video titled 'Before the War - Israel' was worth the watch. The reporter was very good, and actually investigated both sides. How sad, many of those interviewed will be dead in the coming war, which will involve the US and it's allies. But first, Ezekiel 9 will come to pass, in the 7th Church. Stay tuned. and keep listening to God's spirit, who is leading all to a knowledge of the truth.
Hey Nate. Do you think it’s a coincidence that is Ukraine winds down we have this? Netanyahu has political problems as to the Bidens. Do you really believe Hamas pulled this off with all the intense security of that area without some help from someone? Someone more powerful than Iran? False flag?
You are wrong on one very fundamental point. Israelis don't hate Palestinians nor do they strive for them to be all dead. On the other hand, Hamas, and many of its Palestinian followers, will not stop until Israelis are all dead.
You're right, the Israelis don't want all the Palestinians dead. They just want them to leave. After all, God gave them that land. I wonder which god that is?
Natan never will TWO wrongs make anything Right .. sadly like you I have many who have lost loved ones and they are absolutely shattered by this human outrage .. but how should we respond ..? maybe if IDF can control their soldiers they will find mercy when its/where it's needed and be able to exact punishment on those who have offended creation .. regardless of what god you worship .. in these last few days I've had to examine my deepest inner feelings with what little objectivity I have left and try not to fall down on my knees in despair for such atrocities yet in again in my life when I'd hoped that I'd left that inhumanity behind me and here at the end of my life it comes like a thief in the night and destroys the hope and trust of so many of us who now live around the world after our escape from a decimated tortured Europe .. may the gods of creation have mercy on us all .. I'm so very sorry for this pain you and so many of us have to bear ..
Keep peeling back the layers Bill! Nothing is ever as it seems. I note with cynicism and dismay that ever increasing outrages are needed to capture the public’s attention - the debacle in Ukraine had lost it’s ability to spark the necessary public outpouring of unquestioned lust for war. The quickening disintegration of the American financial situation was starting to be noticed. The timing and brutality of the attack on Israel seems to have done the trick. Public outrage has been suitably restored and focused. The internal conflict between the two sides within the borders of the US being an add on bonus. Now virtually no one is paying attention to anything else. The moves by the Israeli government and defence forces prior to the attack require a question mark. I am left with the unsettling feeling that once again innocent civilians - mostly Israelis in this case - are required collateral damage to further the elite’s agenda - there apparently is no horror too immense to be inflicted on the masses to achieve a higher objective - after all it’s not the elites or their families/associates/enablers who pay the cost...
do you realize that the easiest way to get the American people to blindly accept military action would be for there to be a terrorist attacked on the US? Remember, we gave up our rights as American citizens after 9/11, so just speaking out, and being portrayed as against the government can label one a terrorist for which there are no, no, no legal protections.
I do not wanna know what happened during 9/11, and I did see what happened after. The American people lost the elite did not. I followed with the government told me I believed it was a terrorist attack, and I agreed to all my restrictions of my freedoms. I did not see who was flying the planes, I did not KNOW what was true or not.
What I do KNOW today is to ask more questions, to ask if I’m being led to blindly follow, if I’m being led to be put into fear and reacting from fear, and most importantly, to ask myself who is gaining from the messages being sent?
2020 was a successful, behavioral economic campaign on the world.
I choose discernment AND I MAY NEVER KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS BUT I DON’T HAVE TO BLINDLY FOLLOW THE RHETORIC BEING HANDED DOWN TO ME.
Again, thank you for the opportunity to speak freely. And I appreciate and am grateful for those that speak up about their personal experiences . It’s how we learn. Please differentiate between personal experience and perspective, because those are two different things.
I personally lived through the after effects of 9/11 and the very cruel bias of America by Americans for my family members who had Arabic names. Imagine taking some of the first flights out with the name Ahmad. He had to speak quickly and tell jokes to prove that he was American, spoke English without an accent, and the security was insane. Not every Israeli wants to kill a Palestinian, and not every Palestinian wants to kill an Israeli, but we are led to believe that. Again. WHY?
Im convinced, who needs the state ? Whack jobs, murdering thiefs, parasites who produce F------all.
What was that famous quote, oh yes; " everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone."
2.3 million palestnians want to kill everyone in Isreal. However 7.8 billion people want murder on the Palestinians ? Is that right? Have I got that right? Certainly we can throw a bag or two of Mr. Noodles at Mr. Netanyahoo or Mr. Bonehead or any other demented brain amputee in care of.
In 1900 there were 2 million Palestinians in Palestine, 100,000 Jews. In 1945, after WW2, the Holocaust, Zionism took off, many Jews came to Palestine, overran the country and dispossessed those living there. Palestinians were robbed of their land and forced into enclosed prison areas.
Every year Israel settlements expand at the expense of Palestinians. The enclosures get smaller, the population expands and life gets more desperate.
10 Palestinian children killed per every Israeli child? That's because Palestinian coward terrorists quiver and hide behind their women and children, Bill. By the way, Israeli children didn't 'die', they were raped, butchered, tortured and mutilated. Death by retaliatory bombs is graceful in comparison. Cry somewhere else for Palestinians-products of failed 'leadership'.
During hostage trades, Israel routinely trades 100 Hamas terrorists in prison for the single dead body of an Israeli. If the Israeli hostage is alive, you can expect Hamas to value them at 1000 Palestinian terrorists to a single Israeli hostage. Israel values life. Hamas does not. Not even their own peoples lives.
Jimmy one thing I'm absolutely sure of .. your attitude will just makes the problem BIGGER !
if you can't find a better way than get down on your knees and pray that those Persians just to the north don't use one of those supersonic nukes .. because then the battle will get a lot bigger .. and who will you blame then ..?
Killing non combatants is wrong even if they are collateral damage in self defense actions. Indiscriminate killing is wrong whether in self defense or revenge. Hamas was wrong to go on an indiscriminate killing spree. Israel is wrong in killing indiscriminately even in self defense.
War seems to no any longer be about following the rules or Geneva Conventions. It is about killing until certain goals are achieved. There are no longer any civilians. Just people that are impediments to achieving goals. War is not humane. It is inhumane. That may not be the goal, but it is the result.
The only way to stop the inhumanity is to stop war. To stop war, both sides must negotiate to achieve their goals. It there is impasse in negotiations, then the parties should submit to arbitration. If either party rejects arbitration and resorts to violence to achieve its goals, then there will be war and deaths of innocents as well as combatants.
Talk is better than war generally. But if neither party is willing to compromise even an inch, then war is inevitable. Deaths will follow.
Palestine was taken by the British and given to Israel as a gift of a homeland. That was wrong. That wrong was compounded by forcing the Palestinians into a ghetto not unlike what the Jews suffered from the Germans.
I understand the Jews wanting a homeland. But receiving a stolen land from Britain was not the way to establish a homeland.
Israel is not God ordained. Nor is Palestine. Those are human inventions. Arbitrary and repugnant to both parties.
That is how the animosity started and what causes it to continue. Both sides claim they are right and will not budge. Hamas is guilty of taking advantage of old wounds to kill Jews. The Jews are taking advantage of new wounds to destroy Hamas.
The British caused this mess (and many others) in the Mid East.
What is the solution then?
There is no solution that is completely palatable to both sides. Blood could be spilled for centuries. Innocent blood and warrior blood. And the entire world could become involved. And death could come to millions.
How can that scenario be avoided?
Strong nations must force these smaller nations to compromise. How? Not through military intervention. But through massive sanctions and intimidation and even siege.
They must be shown that if they do not compromise they will not be able to function at all.
All essential supplies must be cut off until negotiations resume and result in compromise that works.
The trouble is that the U.S. is very biased toward Israel. That is unfair and must stop. An outside entity must be employed to facilitate negotiations. A nation like Denmark or Switzerland must be employed to oversee negotiations. A coalition of non partisan nations could then enforce the final agreement with military force.
This could still result in war against the enforcing nations if the factions do not agree with the negotiated agreement.
If that happens there will be a lot of blood and deaths. But, at least it will be in pursuit of an attempt to reach a reasonable agreement.
I am not a diplomat. I am not a president or premier or dictator. I am just trying to find a solution to a very difficult problem.
Please suggest something better if you have an idea.
If the Arabs laid down their weapons, there would be peace.
If Israel put down their weapons, there would be no Israel.
There was never a country called Palestine. It is a region that was under the rule of British, Turkey, Syria, Romans....but never a country called Palestine. Try to find the president of Palestine, the official language of Palestine, what year it was established, its currency, its capital. Never was such a country.
Until 1948, the Jews who lived in the area were called....Palestinians, believe it or not. The term was adopted by the Arabs in the 1960s.
The British took the region of Palestine and made more promises than they could keep. They split it, and gave a majority share to Arabs....what is today Jordan. The rest was intended for the Jews, but due to Arab protests, the Jewish area got smaller and smaller.
as long as you and the majority hold this view the wars and conflict between the two tribes of Abraham will continue .. the Hebrew diaspora is the most educated most successful and intelligent that the world has ever know and made the desert to Bloom ! even the PLO can see that and yes there is some jealousy of that success but most of the Palestinians like the Majority of Jews just want to live in PEACE .. the current criminal Bibi and his gang of Orthodox fanatics know exactly what they are doing by encircling the ever growing population of PLO .. that's why they call them RATS like what their parents were called in the Polish Ghetto's .. and so now they can justify and extract their revenge .. get rid of Bibi's gang and Like Putin the problem would have INSTANTLY gone away .. but these tyrants are here to create the sort of chaos that you are reading in this blog .. may the master of the universe have mercy on us ..
You might want to brush up on the complete history of that region. The area that is now Israel was settled and inhabited by Jews over 3,000 years ago. It is their original homeland so nothing was "taken" from anyone. There is no such thing as a "palestinian," that's a Western construct that's a lame attempt at legitimizing a cause. The people in Gaza etc. are Jordanian Arabs. The Jews are in their rightful place.
You're correct, the land was given to Israel by God. However, Israel is not the people that are there now. Steve Wohlberg has written quite a bit on this, and there are even some videos:
Ancient Israel split into two kingdoms, Israel (the north) and Judah (the south). Israel comprised 10 tribes and Judah 2 tribes (plus levites).
The north abandoned the religion and were conquered by Saancherev, he exiled them east. What happened to them? Many speculations. very possibly they were absorbed into the locals of what is today India, Afghanastan, and that region.
The south (Judah) stayed more true to the religion. They are the ancestors of today's Jews, in addition to the many converts that have joined over the centuries.
Jewish tradition has a detailed, written history, with lists of rabbis in every century. We know where they lived, who their teachers and students were, even the year they died.
I know people who can trace their ancestors, generation by generation, all the way back to Adam. For example, Rabbi Shlomo Yitzchaki, of Worms, 11th century, recorded his geneaology. 600 years before him was the Talmud, with many accounts of the rabbis at the time. In the 16th century, a descendant of Rabbi Shlomo updated the lineage to his time. Since many in the list are famous rabbis, whose writings are still studied, it is not that far-fetched.
This year in the Jewish calendar is 5784 from Creation. According to Chapters 5 and 11 of Genesis, Abraham was the 20th generation from Adam, and born in the year 1948 from Creation. Based on Genesis, the end of Ruth, and 1 Chronicles, King David was the 33rd from Adam. The books of Kings continue the lineage from David until King Yechonya, at the end of the 1st Temple, #52 from Adam, around 3338 from Creation, about 2.500 years ago. This is all based on the Bible.
From then until now were many famous rabbis who either wrote or their teachings were recorded. Some of them recorded their lineage, and every century or two their descendants updated the records.
The Bible is not literal history. The Old Testament is a recording of the Hebrews' relationship with their God. The New Testament is a recording of the early Christians' relationship with Jesus.
I hold the scientific view that our solar system including earth were created about 4.5 billion years ago. Early humans appeared about 2 million years ago and migrated out of Africa. Homo Sapiens appeared about 200,000 years ago.
no it may not be that "far fetched" but so what ? we are living in 2023 or 5784 ! and neither side has any more right than the other to slaughter each other .. especially when the Persians to the north are just waiting for an excuse to exercise their new N Korean nuclear tipped sonic missiles !
Lol. Maybe if Iran comes in it directly ( after all they are already responsible for every single death attributed to the ‘Palestinians’)will be the “Mother of All Battles” all over again?
Great response for a WAR monger .. just keep on thinking this crap and you'll get the conflagration that you wish to perpetrate on ANY other humans not just the PLO but anyone whom you refer to as GOYIM ! we are humans just like you regardless of whether we cut off our foreskins ! just give it up mate or all hell will come to us all!
What's amusing about your anger and vitriol is it's so misplaced and wrongheaded. If you were throwing a baseball to a catcher you wouldn't even hit the bull, yet you are so cocksure about everything. Here in the U.S. we have a name for that, it's called being a "know-it-all".
For the record, I am as GOYIM as GOYIM gets. Which is to say that I am not even remotely Jewish. Am I a "WAR monger"? Hardly, those Jewish citizens were minding their own business and had done nothing to deserve the barbaric, sickening attacks, rape, debauchery and death that they got. And, you think the response should be to play patty-cake? Nope, they shouldn't be made to respond with one hand tied behind their backs either.
It's funny that your drivel ignores the fact that those Jordanian Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank aren't wanted by any of their "Muslim Brothers". The truth is that "just giving it up" is the surest way to unleash hell upon us all. Do you really think that Hamas and their puppet master Persians are going to stand down if the Israelis turn their collective cheek?
The only real and lasting solution, not just to this problem, but to all our problems, is listening to God, and receiving His spirit of agape. www.discourseonagape.org The vast majority will reject this solution, so be prepared for more of the same.
Not everyone listening to God hear the same thing. That there are hundreds of sects catering to Christians, Jews and Muslims seems to validate this observation.
Obviously, they can't all be right. Either two of them are wrong, or they are all wrong. God has always had a church, a people, on earth. If this were not the case, the people that were not His would have destroyed themselves long ago. Christians have the right idea, but all the christian churches are partially fallen - yes, even the 7th, and last church. The wheat are growing with the tares. At the right time, God will take matters into his own hand, and purify His church. That's is what Ezekiel 9 is all about. Momentous changes are coming, which only happen once every 6,000 years.
Nah, He didn't ALWAYS have a church. I don't think God revealed himself until about, what, 3000-4000 years ago. I always wondered why he didn't choose the Chinese. They were a much more advanced civilization than the semitic tribes of the Middle East. At least they weren't nomads.
Yes, always. Adam and Eve were a "church.' So was Noah and his family. And of course Abraham. BTW, God didn't "choose" the Chinese or anyone else because they didn't respond to him. Abram did. Abram's family were the "choosing" people, till they didn't choose God anymore, and even ended up murdering the Son of God. Crazy, huh? You can't make this stuff up.
yes Theirn there are as many sects of Christianity as there are of ALL religions and they all fight each other .. but the simple message of the man from Nazareth has NEVER been refuted by ANY of the other prophets most of them acknowledged his wisdom if not his divinity, but NONE of them ever spoke that simple truth of the Mount of Olives .. he was in fact one of them and came to save his own people but they knew him not and laughed at him desecrated him and eventually got the Romans to do their dirty work for them .. and how much longer will the tribes of Israel have to suffer for this mistake ? let's hope he return soon because the options are not in our favor eh ..
Yes brother Tom, war is 100% created by the extreme of evil in our world, and when it comes to evil, how can there be rules? The only obvious truth in war is to win it, at all cost.
There never has, nor ever will be a cure to end the madness, until the day comes that we equally annihilate ourselves, only then will there be peace on earth...
I am probably wrong in my understanding. The British controlled the Middle East, they realized the importance of oil. The best they could do in a changing world was to make boundaries in such a way that most oil was centered in an easily controlled area, Saudi Arabia.
I think the British were against Zionism, they realized the ultimate complications. They tried to prevent Jews from coming to Palestine; the early Jewish leaders became terrorists against British rule and Arab Palestinians.
The “Exodus “ was enormous, Jews wanted out of Europe, the Holocaust was an enormous wound.
The world, especially the US, felt guilty and with US intimidation, the UN, created the state of Israel.
People were displaced , persecuted, hounded into ghettos, various wars with Arab States ensued, each time Israel won and became more powerful.
The Palestinians became radicalized, terrorist; they did stupid acts of terror around the world, killed innocent people. World opinion, aided by the legacy press, began to hate Palestinians. They committed stupid horrifying acts.
It might be a basic religious belief, all infidels are to be killed, you get a reward for it.
Christians believe in the literal restoration of Israel.
Sane men are irrational.
I believe there is always a solution but practically, in the Middle East, it’s slim and none.
One solution is “The Final Solution “ annihilate the Palestinians. Seems to be the solution everyone wants.
Irrationally, they believe it is God’s solution.
Human kind is divorced from God and I guess, with the technology at the disposal, we are in for some dire circumstances, probably nuclear war, now or in the future as we fester in the cesspool of our own creation.
The best solution is to get your own house in order, develop a spirituality and enter Into “ Kingdom of God within and all around.
Karine Jean-Pierre said HAMAS was evil. It's safe to say most if not all members of Hamas are Palestinian. And the corollary is not all Palestinians are members of Hamas. A rather important distinction, no?
You ask? "Who are the bad guys? How can you tell?" You can tell by their enemies. Yes, we killed civilians at Dresden, yes, we killed 200,000 in Nagasaki and Japan. You forgot (??) to mention the Nazi's murdered 6,000,000 Jews, the precipitating event to the founding of Israel in 1948.
And you dare to quote Osama Bin Laden to explain the murder of innocents? Words escape me to express how despicable that is.
Finally, I guess you should be embracing the wars, debt, inflation, deflation, and various empires (Occidental and otherwise). Because all the trouble in the world may eventually end up in dystopia, a good starting point for your dreams of an Ancap utopia, which, of course, if it results in a less civil human condition, will be anything but.
I’ll edit it to remove the sentence. “Maybe you do.” He doesn’t embrace “the wars, debt, inflation, deflation, and various empires (Occidental and otherwise).”
No. But that's ok, we're all where we're at. I don't agree with everything Mr. Bonner says, either. I think we should provide assistance to Ukraine, for instance. But I do recognize there are issues with that, as well.
When I was a kid there was a saying that cautioned, 'don't poke the bear'.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you write, but you do poke the bear quite vigorously, so have you ever considered the possibility that the bear might react as irate bears are inclined to do? It was be a sad day if I read about Bill being turned into a 'bill burger' for the bear.
Hope you're taking precautions as I'm not convinced that it might not happen someday.
I think a correction is in order for your posts yesterday and today: we are not heading for banana republic and economic ruin, we're already there.
I have different feelings than Bill about who's right and wrong in Israel and Palestinians.
But I do worry about what is the right response for Israel. Does sending Gaza to the stone age solve the problem? Is a ground invasion the right answer? What if there are thousands of casualties on the Israel side, G-d forbid? Is Israel ready for that? Is it even possible to destroy or eradicate Hamas? I remember what it was like after 9-11. Of course, bombing Iraq and bringing democracy to Iraq are the solution. Right? Everything's peaceful there now. (sarc)
Important to point out that Israel attempted to boost economic situation in Gaza, and understood that this would work in its favor. Hamas doesn't care, their goal is not a stable society, but to kill Jews.
Micaela Burrow, posted on americafirstreport, writes:
...the political wing [of Hamas] led Israel to believe it would accept economic carrots like work permits in exchange for cessation of violence....
[Israel] may have relied too heavily on the belief that economic relief would suppress hostilities....
"We believed that the fact that they were coming to work and bringing money into Gaza would create a certain level of calm. We were wrong."
Trump cut off funds to the Palestinian Authority that they used to pay terrorists. Things were very quiet. Biden started the payments again, and a month later Hamas was shooting rockets. And now the $6 billion released by Biden...
Thank you, Dorothy, I appreciate your feedback. It may be more accurate to say he released their funds that were frozen. Maybe even that's not accurate.
Biden certainly did resume payments immediately upon taking office that Trump had cancelled, and by March the rockets were flying. My intention was not to blame Biden, but to state that funds appear to play a big role.
Yes many live because of it and many die because of it or with out it !
No problem Sun & Wind will resolve...
In this 21st century of both amazing discovery from technologies and at the same time the continuing support for killing sprees, there has to be a QED
We have to find some excuse or easily identifiable reason, for evil people to be dictators, martyring despots, civil rights prison guards or simple enjoyers of blood sports and hate.
Nooo it’s not tyrants, QED it is OIL
Thank God I am not a resident of PutinRussia, XiChina, Ali KhameneiIran, Kim Jong Un North Korea ... and all those other countries where to disagree or protest or even say the leaders, politicians & coy are corrupt, would mean my family would likely be obliterated.
BPR team & commentators sure as likely WOULD be actively sought out and exterminated.
Well, you are right about the killing. But some of us have become more civilized by recognizing individual rights. I mentioned the three countries only as examples of regimes that don't recognize individual rights. If everyone recognized that each person has the right to their own life, their own liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness by applying their rational mind to understanding the facts of reality before them, and using this information to lead a productive life, the killing would stop. We could all flourish by being productive. However, there are those that observe productive people and want to steal what they have produced by ruling over them. War results when these "second handers" try to steal the products of the productive, and the productive people fight back.
Our species will never stop killing each other. We are wired to kill. Every plant, fish, bird and animal that we eat we first kill it. Hunters kill just for sport. If you are a Christian, then one of the three gods you worship, Jesus, was murdered. Our history is a recitation of wars. Daily in every major city on this planet one of us kills another. I repeat: Our species will never stop killing each other
After Bill's comments on the conflict, especially when he equates the wall in Gaza and the Israel government to the Nazi government, it's time to cancel my subscription. If the guy in charge, Bill, is that screwed up in his thinking then I don't care who else is on the team so I can get my investment advice from someone else.
I read the same commentary but don't see the equation you speak of. I do see such an equation.being fashioned by the managers of Hamas and their enablers and funders, who will likely have much success using it to recruit and fund raise among their target audiences, the people whose minds are immersed in the narrative bubble these war planners have been rfining for decades.
I'm sad for the harshness of your opinion that will only hurt you .. there are lots of views expressed on this blog that I don't agree with but killing/canceling due to your emotional reaction is not a valid reason .. either way go in peace rather than anger .. we are just passing our time here mate !
The "caged " Gazans elected their jailers, Hamas, and have been conditioned by these jailers and their enablers and funders to be a reliable source of cannon fodder for Hamas planners to use in their declared purpose of eradicating Israel. An effective, if evil, strategy? Maybe.. Let's see how it works out.
Nice to see Bills schizoid antisemitism embolden the other freaks and shake a few of you creeps into the open. The market value of Israeli lives has been set by Hamas themselves in their prisoner exchanges far below the parity. Hamas believes a few Israelis or Americans are worth dozens of Palestinians and billions of dollars. Have they miscalculated?
When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral.
- Ayn Rand
Thank you for this. The greatest anger is directed toward those who dare to ask questions, without wondering why people would be skeptical after being incessantly lied to for years about almost everything.
Maybe instead of ridiculing the skeptics, we should be angry at those in politics and the press who’ve given them so many valid reasons to doubt:
https://jdbreen.substack.com/p/believing-is-seeing
Bill I appreciate your efforts to have people look at BOTH sides and look at the money trail regarding this conflict. When do gas prices in the US DROP during conflict in the Middle East? It’s an election year. US (the elite) have a trillions of dollars money issue. And what is the solution? SPEND MONEY ON WAR and divert and divide the country. Where there weapons of mass destruction the last time the US HAD to take action against the evil terrorists?
Osama had one very good point. We the American people have voted and allowed this nonsense for decades. Hello? America doesn’t “Win” in the Ukraine “war”. And America doesn’t “win” in military action against Palestinians. We the people lose big time.
Does anyone ever ask themselves, who is behind keeping the conflict between Israel and Palestine active? Does the US have an interest in ever having peace in the Middle East really? This is an ancient, tribal, conflict, that the US and England stuck their nose in years ago. Let’s follow the money trails - who has gained from this? it’s not the children being killed. Maybe it’s time for the United States to show some humanity and use some discernment and ask themselves some hard questions. The US gave Israel the military weapons and strength to obliterate the 140 miles “given” to Palestine. We (the US) have done the same to American Indians who we obliterated and “gave” reservations to. Again follow the money trail who benefit from all this it’s not the citizens, and yet we hold the power to change it.
Wake the heck up people and stop following the party lines (yes both) and ask some questions. Don’t be singularly, fear focused as you have been led to be. Do you think life’s really gonna look pretty after another nuclear war?
Thank you for giving me the space to rant about something that’s been bothering me for a long time.
Who is behind the conflict? satan, of course. He influences people to act in their own self interest (sorry, Randians), which results in the world as we know it. You haven't seen anything yet, this selfishness idea will reach it's inevitable, logical conclusion, and sooner than later. But God and His Son are still there, actively seeking you out, and waiting.
Patti I'm so much with you it brings tears to my eyes to read your intelligent lament .. like word in my heart I could hardly find but you expressed them perfectly ... thank you!
Thank you for sharing. .
Oh Mr. Bonner, you are so off the mark in the last few days that I felt compelled to comment. I usually look forward to reading your daily missives, appreciating both your knowledge of history and perspective. However, perhaps you need to spend some time brushing up on the history of Israel and the Palestinian conflict. Yes, every child's death in Gaza is awful and regrettable. Even the death of every Hamas warrior is. They are sons, fathers brothers etc. However, sometimes you have to open your eyes a bit more...What happened last Saturday in the South of Israel basically the same as a random attack on the US killing 32,000 civilians (if you use ratio of casualties to population). What would you do? It is not about revenge, it is about reducing the possibility of such an attack happening again (and if not the possibility, maybe the frequency). And yes, innocent people will die.
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Do you really believe the Israeli government was unaware of the impending attack?
If they were aware (as the Egyptians, for one, had warned them 10 days earlier), how should those Israeli deaths be viewed?
Could they have been "collateral damage" accepted by their own government to meet its ends?
Quite obviously David
you are so far off the mark because you fail to see the REAL target .. hatred of any kind begets more hatred .. when will they ever learn ? https://iview.abc.net.au/show/foreign-correspondent/series/2023/video/NC2310H024S00
Finally had a chance to watch this. You have to register, but the video titled 'Before the War - Israel' was worth the watch. The reporter was very good, and actually investigated both sides. How sad, many of those interviewed will be dead in the coming war, which will involve the US and it's allies. But first, Ezekiel 9 will come to pass, in the 7th Church. Stay tuned. and keep listening to God's spirit, who is leading all to a knowledge of the truth.
Hey Nate. Do you think it’s a coincidence that is Ukraine winds down we have this? Netanyahu has political problems as to the Bidens. Do you really believe Hamas pulled this off with all the intense security of that area without some help from someone? Someone more powerful than Iran? False flag?
Russia?
yes kill more and more innocent people while the Bibi's and Hamas bastards sit and pontificate about which one is more at fault !
You are wrong on one very fundamental point. Israelis don't hate Palestinians nor do they strive for them to be all dead. On the other hand, Hamas, and many of its Palestinian followers, will not stop until Israelis are all dead.
You're right, the Israelis don't want all the Palestinians dead. They just want them to leave. After all, God gave them that land. I wonder which god that is?
Natan never will TWO wrongs make anything Right .. sadly like you I have many who have lost loved ones and they are absolutely shattered by this human outrage .. but how should we respond ..? maybe if IDF can control their soldiers they will find mercy when its/where it's needed and be able to exact punishment on those who have offended creation .. regardless of what god you worship .. in these last few days I've had to examine my deepest inner feelings with what little objectivity I have left and try not to fall down on my knees in despair for such atrocities yet in again in my life when I'd hoped that I'd left that inhumanity behind me and here at the end of my life it comes like a thief in the night and destroys the hope and trust of so many of us who now live around the world after our escape from a decimated tortured Europe .. may the gods of creation have mercy on us all .. I'm so very sorry for this pain you and so many of us have to bear ..
Keep peeling back the layers Bill! Nothing is ever as it seems. I note with cynicism and dismay that ever increasing outrages are needed to capture the public’s attention - the debacle in Ukraine had lost it’s ability to spark the necessary public outpouring of unquestioned lust for war. The quickening disintegration of the American financial situation was starting to be noticed. The timing and brutality of the attack on Israel seems to have done the trick. Public outrage has been suitably restored and focused. The internal conflict between the two sides within the borders of the US being an add on bonus. Now virtually no one is paying attention to anything else. The moves by the Israeli government and defence forces prior to the attack require a question mark. I am left with the unsettling feeling that once again innocent civilians - mostly Israelis in this case - are required collateral damage to further the elite’s agenda - there apparently is no horror too immense to be inflicted on the masses to achieve a higher objective - after all it’s not the elites or their families/associates/enablers who pay the cost...
Yup, right on.
And sickening how those "higher objectives" are actually the lowest of the low anyone could imagine...
There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.
- Ayn Rand
One of the truly great philosophical geniuses of all time.
One more comment -
do you realize that the easiest way to get the American people to blindly accept military action would be for there to be a terrorist attacked on the US? Remember, we gave up our rights as American citizens after 9/11, so just speaking out, and being portrayed as against the government can label one a terrorist for which there are no, no, no legal protections.
I do not wanna know what happened during 9/11, and I did see what happened after. The American people lost the elite did not. I followed with the government told me I believed it was a terrorist attack, and I agreed to all my restrictions of my freedoms. I did not see who was flying the planes, I did not KNOW what was true or not.
What I do KNOW today is to ask more questions, to ask if I’m being led to blindly follow, if I’m being led to be put into fear and reacting from fear, and most importantly, to ask myself who is gaining from the messages being sent?
2020 was a successful, behavioral economic campaign on the world.
I choose discernment AND I MAY NEVER KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS BUT I DON’T HAVE TO BLINDLY FOLLOW THE RHETORIC BEING HANDED DOWN TO ME.
Again, thank you for the opportunity to speak freely. And I appreciate and am grateful for those that speak up about their personal experiences . It’s how we learn. Please differentiate between personal experience and perspective, because those are two different things.
I personally lived through the after effects of 9/11 and the very cruel bias of America by Americans for my family members who had Arabic names. Imagine taking some of the first flights out with the name Ahmad. He had to speak quickly and tell jokes to prove that he was American, spoke English without an accent, and the security was insane. Not every Israeli wants to kill a Palestinian, and not every Palestinian wants to kill an Israeli, but we are led to believe that. Again. WHY?
Im convinced, who needs the state ? Whack jobs, murdering thiefs, parasites who produce F------all.
What was that famous quote, oh yes; " everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone."
2.3 million palestnians want to kill everyone in Isreal. However 7.8 billion people want murder on the Palestinians ? Is that right? Have I got that right? Certainly we can throw a bag or two of Mr. Noodles at Mr. Netanyahoo or Mr. Bonehead or any other demented brain amputee in care of.
Should have never abanded gold.
In 1900 there were 2 million Palestinians in Palestine, 100,000 Jews. In 1945, after WW2, the Holocaust, Zionism took off, many Jews came to Palestine, overran the country and dispossessed those living there. Palestinians were robbed of their land and forced into enclosed prison areas.
Every year Israel settlements expand at the expense of Palestinians. The enclosures get smaller, the population expands and life gets more desperate.
It has been going on for 75 years.
X. Yep
good on ya Xavier .. glad some of us can remember the real history of the middle east!
10 Palestinian children killed per every Israeli child? That's because Palestinian coward terrorists quiver and hide behind their women and children, Bill. By the way, Israeli children didn't 'die', they were raped, butchered, tortured and mutilated. Death by retaliatory bombs is graceful in comparison. Cry somewhere else for Palestinians-products of failed 'leadership'.
During hostage trades, Israel routinely trades 100 Hamas terrorists in prison for the single dead body of an Israeli. If the Israeli hostage is alive, you can expect Hamas to value them at 1000 Palestinian terrorists to a single Israeli hostage. Israel values life. Hamas does not. Not even their own peoples lives.
Jimmy one thing I'm absolutely sure of .. your attitude will just makes the problem BIGGER !
if you can't find a better way than get down on your knees and pray that those Persians just to the north don't use one of those supersonic nukes .. because then the battle will get a lot bigger .. and who will you blame then ..?
That’s not an attitude pal, it’s a statement of facts.
Killing non combatants is wrong even if they are collateral damage in self defense actions. Indiscriminate killing is wrong whether in self defense or revenge. Hamas was wrong to go on an indiscriminate killing spree. Israel is wrong in killing indiscriminately even in self defense.
War seems to no any longer be about following the rules or Geneva Conventions. It is about killing until certain goals are achieved. There are no longer any civilians. Just people that are impediments to achieving goals. War is not humane. It is inhumane. That may not be the goal, but it is the result.
The only way to stop the inhumanity is to stop war. To stop war, both sides must negotiate to achieve their goals. It there is impasse in negotiations, then the parties should submit to arbitration. If either party rejects arbitration and resorts to violence to achieve its goals, then there will be war and deaths of innocents as well as combatants.
Talk is better than war generally. But if neither party is willing to compromise even an inch, then war is inevitable. Deaths will follow.
Palestine was taken by the British and given to Israel as a gift of a homeland. That was wrong. That wrong was compounded by forcing the Palestinians into a ghetto not unlike what the Jews suffered from the Germans.
I understand the Jews wanting a homeland. But receiving a stolen land from Britain was not the way to establish a homeland.
Israel is not God ordained. Nor is Palestine. Those are human inventions. Arbitrary and repugnant to both parties.
That is how the animosity started and what causes it to continue. Both sides claim they are right and will not budge. Hamas is guilty of taking advantage of old wounds to kill Jews. The Jews are taking advantage of new wounds to destroy Hamas.
The British caused this mess (and many others) in the Mid East.
What is the solution then?
There is no solution that is completely palatable to both sides. Blood could be spilled for centuries. Innocent blood and warrior blood. And the entire world could become involved. And death could come to millions.
How can that scenario be avoided?
Strong nations must force these smaller nations to compromise. How? Not through military intervention. But through massive sanctions and intimidation and even siege.
They must be shown that if they do not compromise they will not be able to function at all.
All essential supplies must be cut off until negotiations resume and result in compromise that works.
The trouble is that the U.S. is very biased toward Israel. That is unfair and must stop. An outside entity must be employed to facilitate negotiations. A nation like Denmark or Switzerland must be employed to oversee negotiations. A coalition of non partisan nations could then enforce the final agreement with military force.
This could still result in war against the enforcing nations if the factions do not agree with the negotiated agreement.
If that happens there will be a lot of blood and deaths. But, at least it will be in pursuit of an attempt to reach a reasonable agreement.
I am not a diplomat. I am not a president or premier or dictator. I am just trying to find a solution to a very difficult problem.
Please suggest something better if you have an idea.
What is your solution to this mess?
If the Arabs laid down their weapons, there would be peace.
If Israel put down their weapons, there would be no Israel.
There was never a country called Palestine. It is a region that was under the rule of British, Turkey, Syria, Romans....but never a country called Palestine. Try to find the president of Palestine, the official language of Palestine, what year it was established, its currency, its capital. Never was such a country.
Until 1948, the Jews who lived in the area were called....Palestinians, believe it or not. The term was adopted by the Arabs in the 1960s.
The British took the region of Palestine and made more promises than they could keep. They split it, and gave a majority share to Arabs....what is today Jordan. The rest was intended for the Jews, but due to Arab protests, the Jewish area got smaller and smaller.
Thank you for some sanity. While your post in its entirety is exceptional, your first two sentences say it all.
as long as you and the majority hold this view the wars and conflict between the two tribes of Abraham will continue .. the Hebrew diaspora is the most educated most successful and intelligent that the world has ever know and made the desert to Bloom ! even the PLO can see that and yes there is some jealousy of that success but most of the Palestinians like the Majority of Jews just want to live in PEACE .. the current criminal Bibi and his gang of Orthodox fanatics know exactly what they are doing by encircling the ever growing population of PLO .. that's why they call them RATS like what their parents were called in the Polish Ghetto's .. and so now they can justify and extract their revenge .. get rid of Bibi's gang and Like Putin the problem would have INSTANTLY gone away .. but these tyrants are here to create the sort of chaos that you are reading in this blog .. may the master of the universe have mercy on us ..
You might want to brush up on the complete history of that region. The area that is now Israel was settled and inhabited by Jews over 3,000 years ago. It is their original homeland so nothing was "taken" from anyone. There is no such thing as a "palestinian," that's a Western construct that's a lame attempt at legitimizing a cause. The people in Gaza etc. are Jordanian Arabs. The Jews are in their rightful place.
You're correct, the land was given to Israel by God. However, Israel is not the people that are there now. Steve Wohlberg has written quite a bit on this, and there are even some videos:
https://duckduckgo.com/?va=n&hps=1&q=steve+wohlberg+two+israels&ia=web
I haven't read the book, so cannot lend support to everything in it till I do, but his basic thesis is correct:
https://archive.org/details/explodingtheisraeldeceptionstevewohlberg
A shorter version: https://aploswbuserfiles.s3.amazonaws.com/ou-1223/userfiles/files/the%20two%20israels%20steve%20wohlberg.pdf
In a nutshell, only the ones who have the faith of the Son of God are true Israelites.
PERFECT reply ! tks
Ancient Israel split into two kingdoms, Israel (the north) and Judah (the south). Israel comprised 10 tribes and Judah 2 tribes (plus levites).
The north abandoned the religion and were conquered by Saancherev, he exiled them east. What happened to them? Many speculations. very possibly they were absorbed into the locals of what is today India, Afghanastan, and that region.
The south (Judah) stayed more true to the religion. They are the ancestors of today's Jews, in addition to the many converts that have joined over the centuries.
Jewish tradition has a detailed, written history, with lists of rabbis in every century. We know where they lived, who their teachers and students were, even the year they died.
I know people who can trace their ancestors, generation by generation, all the way back to Adam. For example, Rabbi Shlomo Yitzchaki, of Worms, 11th century, recorded his geneaology. 600 years before him was the Talmud, with many accounts of the rabbis at the time. In the 16th century, a descendant of Rabbi Shlomo updated the lineage to his time. Since many in the list are famous rabbis, whose writings are still studied, it is not that far-fetched.
It strains credulity that people can trace their ancestors back to Adam. When did he live? Where did he live? No one knows.
This year in the Jewish calendar is 5784 from Creation. According to Chapters 5 and 11 of Genesis, Abraham was the 20th generation from Adam, and born in the year 1948 from Creation. Based on Genesis, the end of Ruth, and 1 Chronicles, King David was the 33rd from Adam. The books of Kings continue the lineage from David until King Yechonya, at the end of the 1st Temple, #52 from Adam, around 3338 from Creation, about 2.500 years ago. This is all based on the Bible.
From then until now were many famous rabbis who either wrote or their teachings were recorded. Some of them recorded their lineage, and every century or two their descendants updated the records.
The Bible is not literal history. The Old Testament is a recording of the Hebrews' relationship with their God. The New Testament is a recording of the early Christians' relationship with Jesus.
I hold the scientific view that our solar system including earth were created about 4.5 billion years ago. Early humans appeared about 2 million years ago and migrated out of Africa. Homo Sapiens appeared about 200,000 years ago.
no it may not be that "far fetched" but so what ? we are living in 2023 or 5784 ! and neither side has any more right than the other to slaughter each other .. especially when the Persians to the north are just waiting for an excuse to exercise their new N Korean nuclear tipped sonic missiles !
Lol. Maybe if Iran comes in it directly ( after all they are already responsible for every single death attributed to the ‘Palestinians’)will be the “Mother of All Battles” all over again?
Great response for a WAR monger .. just keep on thinking this crap and you'll get the conflagration that you wish to perpetrate on ANY other humans not just the PLO but anyone whom you refer to as GOYIM ! we are humans just like you regardless of whether we cut off our foreskins ! just give it up mate or all hell will come to us all!
What's amusing about your anger and vitriol is it's so misplaced and wrongheaded. If you were throwing a baseball to a catcher you wouldn't even hit the bull, yet you are so cocksure about everything. Here in the U.S. we have a name for that, it's called being a "know-it-all".
For the record, I am as GOYIM as GOYIM gets. Which is to say that I am not even remotely Jewish. Am I a "WAR monger"? Hardly, those Jewish citizens were minding their own business and had done nothing to deserve the barbaric, sickening attacks, rape, debauchery and death that they got. And, you think the response should be to play patty-cake? Nope, they shouldn't be made to respond with one hand tied behind their backs either.
It's funny that your drivel ignores the fact that those Jordanian Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank aren't wanted by any of their "Muslim Brothers". The truth is that "just giving it up" is the surest way to unleash hell upon us all. Do you really think that Hamas and their puppet master Persians are going to stand down if the Israelis turn their collective cheek?
The only real and lasting solution, not just to this problem, but to all our problems, is listening to God, and receiving His spirit of agape. www.discourseonagape.org The vast majority will reject this solution, so be prepared for more of the same.
spot on mate ..!
Not everyone listening to God hear the same thing. That there are hundreds of sects catering to Christians, Jews and Muslims seems to validate this observation.
Obviously, they can't all be right. Either two of them are wrong, or they are all wrong. God has always had a church, a people, on earth. If this were not the case, the people that were not His would have destroyed themselves long ago. Christians have the right idea, but all the christian churches are partially fallen - yes, even the 7th, and last church. The wheat are growing with the tares. At the right time, God will take matters into his own hand, and purify His church. That's is what Ezekiel 9 is all about. Momentous changes are coming, which only happen once every 6,000 years.
Nah, He didn't ALWAYS have a church. I don't think God revealed himself until about, what, 3000-4000 years ago. I always wondered why he didn't choose the Chinese. They were a much more advanced civilization than the semitic tribes of the Middle East. At least they weren't nomads.
Yes, always. Adam and Eve were a "church.' So was Noah and his family. And of course Abraham. BTW, God didn't "choose" the Chinese or anyone else because they didn't respond to him. Abram did. Abram's family were the "choosing" people, till they didn't choose God anymore, and even ended up murdering the Son of God. Crazy, huh? You can't make this stuff up.
I suspect we have a difference of opinion on how long humans have been around.
yes Theirn there are as many sects of Christianity as there are of ALL religions and they all fight each other .. but the simple message of the man from Nazareth has NEVER been refuted by ANY of the other prophets most of them acknowledged his wisdom if not his divinity, but NONE of them ever spoke that simple truth of the Mount of Olives .. he was in fact one of them and came to save his own people but they knew him not and laughed at him desecrated him and eventually got the Romans to do their dirty work for them .. and how much longer will the tribes of Israel have to suffer for this mistake ? let's hope he return soon because the options are not in our favor eh ..
I prefer the Buddhist concept of religion. It's emphasis on reducing suffering seems more appropriate.
Yes brother Tom, war is 100% created by the extreme of evil in our world, and when it comes to evil, how can there be rules? The only obvious truth in war is to win it, at all cost.
There never has, nor ever will be a cure to end the madness, until the day comes that we equally annihilate ourselves, only then will there be peace on earth...
Tom Beach
I am probably wrong in my understanding. The British controlled the Middle East, they realized the importance of oil. The best they could do in a changing world was to make boundaries in such a way that most oil was centered in an easily controlled area, Saudi Arabia.
I think the British were against Zionism, they realized the ultimate complications. They tried to prevent Jews from coming to Palestine; the early Jewish leaders became terrorists against British rule and Arab Palestinians.
The “Exodus “ was enormous, Jews wanted out of Europe, the Holocaust was an enormous wound.
The world, especially the US, felt guilty and with US intimidation, the UN, created the state of Israel.
People were displaced , persecuted, hounded into ghettos, various wars with Arab States ensued, each time Israel won and became more powerful.
The Palestinians became radicalized, terrorist; they did stupid acts of terror around the world, killed innocent people. World opinion, aided by the legacy press, began to hate Palestinians. They committed stupid horrifying acts.
It might be a basic religious belief, all infidels are to be killed, you get a reward for it.
Christians believe in the literal restoration of Israel.
Sane men are irrational.
I believe there is always a solution but practically, in the Middle East, it’s slim and none.
One solution is “The Final Solution “ annihilate the Palestinians. Seems to be the solution everyone wants.
Irrationally, they believe it is God’s solution.
Human kind is divorced from God and I guess, with the technology at the disposal, we are in for some dire circumstances, probably nuclear war, now or in the future as we fester in the cesspool of our own creation.
The best solution is to get your own house in order, develop a spirituality and enter Into “ Kingdom of God within and all around.
Karine Jean-Pierre said HAMAS was evil. It's safe to say most if not all members of Hamas are Palestinian. And the corollary is not all Palestinians are members of Hamas. A rather important distinction, no?
You ask? "Who are the bad guys? How can you tell?" You can tell by their enemies. Yes, we killed civilians at Dresden, yes, we killed 200,000 in Nagasaki and Japan. You forgot (??) to mention the Nazi's murdered 6,000,000 Jews, the precipitating event to the founding of Israel in 1948.
And you dare to quote Osama Bin Laden to explain the murder of innocents? Words escape me to express how despicable that is.
Finally, I guess you should be embracing the wars, debt, inflation, deflation, and various empires (Occidental and otherwise). Because all the trouble in the world may eventually end up in dystopia, a good starting point for your dreams of an Ancap utopia, which, of course, if it results in a less civil human condition, will be anything but.
You read Mr. Bonner's article, but you don't seem to understand a word he said.
I’ll edit it to remove the sentence. “Maybe you do.” He doesn’t embrace “the wars, debt, inflation, deflation, and various empires (Occidental and otherwise).”
There, is that better?
No. But that's ok, we're all where we're at. I don't agree with everything Mr. Bonner says, either. I think we should provide assistance to Ukraine, for instance. But I do recognize there are issues with that, as well.
Hello Bill,
When I was a kid there was a saying that cautioned, 'don't poke the bear'.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you write, but you do poke the bear quite vigorously, so have you ever considered the possibility that the bear might react as irate bears are inclined to do? It was be a sad day if I read about Bill being turned into a 'bill burger' for the bear.
Hope you're taking precautions as I'm not convinced that it might not happen someday.
Al R.
I wondered that myself. I'm sure God can protect Mr. Bonner, and I pray He will.
Thank you Bill.
I think a correction is in order for your posts yesterday and today: we are not heading for banana republic and economic ruin, we're already there.
I have different feelings than Bill about who's right and wrong in Israel and Palestinians.
But I do worry about what is the right response for Israel. Does sending Gaza to the stone age solve the problem? Is a ground invasion the right answer? What if there are thousands of casualties on the Israel side, G-d forbid? Is Israel ready for that? Is it even possible to destroy or eradicate Hamas? I remember what it was like after 9-11. Of course, bombing Iraq and bringing democracy to Iraq are the solution. Right? Everything's peaceful there now. (sarc)
Important to point out that Israel attempted to boost economic situation in Gaza, and understood that this would work in its favor. Hamas doesn't care, their goal is not a stable society, but to kill Jews.
Micaela Burrow, posted on americafirstreport, writes:
...the political wing [of Hamas] led Israel to believe it would accept economic carrots like work permits in exchange for cessation of violence....
[Israel] may have relied too heavily on the belief that economic relief would suppress hostilities....
"We believed that the fact that they were coming to work and bringing money into Gaza would create a certain level of calm. We were wrong."
One thing does seem to work:
Trump cut off funds to the Palestinian Authority that they used to pay terrorists. Things were very quiet. Biden started the payments again, and a month later Hamas was shooting rockets. And now the $6 billion released by Biden...
Quiet you...
Trapped: Biden has not given the $6B to Iran. Your source is Wrong.
Thank you, Dorothy, I appreciate your feedback. It may be more accurate to say he released their funds that were frozen. Maybe even that's not accurate.
Biden certainly did resume payments immediately upon taking office that Trump had cancelled, and by March the rockets were flying. My intention was not to blame Biden, but to state that funds appear to play a big role.
Trapped: Got it!
More importantly, Biden relaxed the sanctions on Iran and now they are selling ten-fold more oil than they did when Trump was president.
Good old OIL again !
Yes many live because of it and many die because of it or with out it !
No problem Sun & Wind will resolve...
In this 21st century of both amazing discovery from technologies and at the same time the continuing support for killing sprees, there has to be a QED
We have to find some excuse or easily identifiable reason, for evil people to be dictators, martyring despots, civil rights prison guards or simple enjoyers of blood sports and hate.
Nooo it’s not tyrants, QED it is OIL
Thank God I am not a resident of PutinRussia, XiChina, Ali KhameneiIran, Kim Jong Un North Korea ... and all those other countries where to disagree or protest or even say the leaders, politicians & coy are corrupt, would mean my family would likely be obliterated.
BPR team & commentators sure as likely WOULD be actively sought out and exterminated.
So me THINKS and SPEAKS OUT .... FREELY !
So giving evil a meal, a dollar and a place to sleep doesn't turn it into Good?
Well, waddayaknow...
When the human population was smaller, the scale of atrocious and wanton killing was also smaller
All that's changed in our evolutionary process is the speed, creativity and scale of the murders we commit
As Bill pointed out, Harry Truman has the record -- so far -- for killing more non-combatants at any one time than any one person.
Of course, by doing so, he saved the lives of the one million US causalities who would have lost their lives invading Japan
Millions upon millions have died under communism - USSR, China, Cambodia, etc.
Why stop there? How many did the Nazis kill in WW II?
How many Chinese did the Japanese kill in the 1930's? How many Iraqis did the US kill?
There's no end for our disposition to kill each other despite most of the many gods our species currently worships commanding us otherwise
Our eventual rulers, the AI machines, will probably put those of us they let live in a zoo
Well, you are right about the killing. But some of us have become more civilized by recognizing individual rights. I mentioned the three countries only as examples of regimes that don't recognize individual rights. If everyone recognized that each person has the right to their own life, their own liberty, and their own pursuit of happiness by applying their rational mind to understanding the facts of reality before them, and using this information to lead a productive life, the killing would stop. We could all flourish by being productive. However, there are those that observe productive people and want to steal what they have produced by ruling over them. War results when these "second handers" try to steal the products of the productive, and the productive people fight back.
Our species will never stop killing each other. We are wired to kill. Every plant, fish, bird and animal that we eat we first kill it. Hunters kill just for sport. If you are a Christian, then one of the three gods you worship, Jesus, was murdered. Our history is a recitation of wars. Daily in every major city on this planet one of us kills another. I repeat: Our species will never stop killing each other
It is possible that AI is already running the "show" that we are all trapped in.
My observation of people I interact with is that most are in a trance like state.
The few of "us" that are aware of the madness all about are mostly ignored, and treated as fools.
The future for humans is precarious at best.
Who is running AI though ?
After Bill's comments on the conflict, especially when he equates the wall in Gaza and the Israel government to the Nazi government, it's time to cancel my subscription. If the guy in charge, Bill, is that screwed up in his thinking then I don't care who else is on the team so I can get my investment advice from someone else.
I read the same commentary but don't see the equation you speak of. I do see such an equation.being fashioned by the managers of Hamas and their enablers and funders, who will likely have much success using it to recruit and fund raise among their target audiences, the people whose minds are immersed in the narrative bubble these war planners have been rfining for decades.
I'm sad for the harshness of your opinion that will only hurt you .. there are lots of views expressed on this blog that I don't agree with but killing/canceling due to your emotional reaction is not a valid reason .. either way go in peace rather than anger .. we are just passing our time here mate !
Cause and effect:
Cause- Israel treating the caged Palestinians like animals. “ a thousand Palestinian lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail”
Effect- Hamas fury unleashed.
Thank you Bill for walking toward the light of truth. Even if it blinds the Israelís propagandists.
The "caged " Gazans elected their jailers, Hamas, and have been conditioned by these jailers and their enablers and funders to be a reliable source of cannon fodder for Hamas planners to use in their declared purpose of eradicating Israel. An effective, if evil, strategy? Maybe.. Let's see how it works out.
Nice to see Bills schizoid antisemitism embolden the other freaks and shake a few of you creeps into the open. The market value of Israeli lives has been set by Hamas themselves in their prisoner exchanges far below the parity. Hamas believes a few Israelis or Americans are worth dozens of Palestinians and billions of dollars. Have they miscalculated?