Although I've never met Victoria Nuland, I have met many like her in the corridors of the State Department. And I know Africa moderately well, having served in 7 different countries over the course of 20 years. I would guess there are other State Department Officials who would be better suited to negotiate with the putschists. Abrasive white women are not the best interlocutors with African military men.
There is a tribal element to the current difficulty in Niger. The last time that issue raised its head in a big way in Africa was in Rwanda in the nineties. Susan Rice, another senior official of the Obama/Biden and later Biden/Harris administrations was a key decision maker then, and made the wrong decision (to refuse to call it genocide). I would not be surprised if we make bad decisions again this time, and things will go south again. That's a pity: Niger has been generally well-run.
The 24 billion would be better spent on building the wall and securing border; 7 million, about whom nothing is known, is many more than enough. Let Ukraine defend itself or make peace with Russia and avoid another quagmire by staying out of whatever is going on in Niger.
Heads' got a roll, blood's got a spill. WTF happened oh, thats right the game's are on. Did you see the Japanese womens team loss to Sweden? They played well, better in my opinion, more skill, yet they lost.
If only the refree's were a little more sympathetic it could have a different outcome. But sometimes there lies a lucky bounce. Now, how about the weather eh, its been balmy not hot, not cold just right in my neck the woods perhaps we ll see some rain soon wont that be lovely. Paper - oops, I mean ink, oops confetti, money - is the root of all evil but I digress.
I hear Bill message not referring to Africans in Niger as primates......I hear Bill speculative to a President of the United States being out of touch with what’s actually happening there....
The 'primates' why do you feel the need to refer to the Africans in Niger as primates. By-all-means disagree with our idiotic and cruel foreign policy I certainly do, but please leave this insulting and degrading name-calling to rattle around in your antediluvian brain.
I didn't know this without doing a search, most of us wouldn't, but Primate Elijah Ayodele is his actual title. This is an ecclesiastical title for certain bishops in some, not all, Christian churches.
Primate Warns Biden [using language from a Daily Post article). Using it as he imagines a convo with Nuland and Biden and finally "The Primate is right; God’s wrath awaits us all. "
Maybe you just ignored it or you didn't read it whatever. ... don't care. Considering this type of language was used to disparage people of African decent (me), I take umbrage and am admittedly sensitive to it. And just because the Daily Post chose to use it, doesn't mean it has to be used over and over again.
I don't want to get into a long conversation about this, Bonner being at the age he is, will do whatever suits him. I just felt the need to point out that it is offensive.
"Maybe you just ignored it or you didn't read it whatever. ... don't care."
Yes, I read it. But unlike you I was able to comprehend what I read. As Meesed pointed out, "Primate" (bishop) is an ecclesiastical title in some churches.
Knee-jerk reactions can be a little embarrassing sometimes, can't they.
I never called him a racist and abhor using the term as a weapon like those on the left. I said applying the term primate to a African was offensive and it IS offensive if that was the case. Another commenter provided an alternate explanation of how the term was used and I agreed to look into it.
Are you done now?! Or do you want to continue -- up to you!
Hi LANA. I was a white male of a certain age. All I have heard for the last 10 years is I am a racist. It truly gets old. There are so many minorities that make more than the average white family. There is no systemic racism in this country. I am truly not trying to be unkind.
At 81, I could be offended by you reference to age as predicating action to do( or say)whatever suits me. But I am not. Just saying, your sensitivity is noted, but I don’t accept your correlation on that or Bill’s use of Primate Elijah Ayodele’s name and official title to make his points succinct. No name calling heard by me.
Bill, So is it Democracy we wish to bring to Niger,or to protect corporate interests in Uranium mines. Our flag of Democracy is tattered by Corporate interests.Isn't time to call a spade a spade, and bring our troops home and leave the rest of the world alone.
Hey Alex. On the subject of solar panels. I was telling a story of a guy upstate New York, who had a system installed in 2014 it needed service in 2021 and the system was at that point not the correct system. Due to new regulations. for him it did not work for you. If you do that kind of work, maybe it does work financially. Due to the above nonsense I don’t think it works for the average homeowner in 2023 may be in 40 or 50 years. Just my opinion.
Solar works great, and has a relatively short payback period, in Kalifornia. Aridzona, too. Any state that has plenty of sunshine is a no-brainer for solar. I didn't think it would make sense for upstate New York, but apparently the payback period is 16 years (all of New York):
I can't understand, though, why solar is installed in Canaduh or Germany or Britain. People spend their money on the craziest things, eh? Also, the panels themselves are pretty cheap.
Ask congress for billions for Ukraine, the Republicans are hesitant but earmark the loot none the less.
DC is a no an obvious mess, it used to be every Democrat in our part of the nation sported a lawn sign; 'War is not the Answer' they all disappeared when Obama got elected. Possibly the Republicans might make a good market some of those signs gathering dust in Democrat's basements?
Although I've never met Victoria Nuland, I have met many like her in the corridors of the State Department. And I know Africa moderately well, having served in 7 different countries over the course of 20 years. I would guess there are other State Department Officials who would be better suited to negotiate with the putschists. Abrasive white women are not the best interlocutors with African military men.
There is a tribal element to the current difficulty in Niger. The last time that issue raised its head in a big way in Africa was in Rwanda in the nineties. Susan Rice, another senior official of the Obama/Biden and later Biden/Harris administrations was a key decision maker then, and made the wrong decision (to refuse to call it genocide). I would not be surprised if we make bad decisions again this time, and things will go south again. That's a pity: Niger has been generally well-run.
There will always be problems. And the solutions offered by democrats & republicans are usually stupid and ignorant.
The voters don’t care or feel their vote doesn’t matter.
It’s called corruption.
Until you deal with the corruption, this is what you get!
If we didn’t have a war we’d have to invent one. Someone has to put all those weapons to use.
The 24 billion would be better spent on building the wall and securing border; 7 million, about whom nothing is known, is many more than enough. Let Ukraine defend itself or make peace with Russia and avoid another quagmire by staying out of whatever is going on in Niger.
Korea, Vietnam, Panama,Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine. The beat goes on.
"War is a racket" - Smedely Butler
Heads' got a roll, blood's got a spill. WTF happened oh, thats right the game's are on. Did you see the Japanese womens team loss to Sweden? They played well, better in my opinion, more skill, yet they lost.
If only the refree's were a little more sympathetic it could have a different outcome. But sometimes there lies a lucky bounce. Now, how about the weather eh, its been balmy not hot, not cold just right in my neck the woods perhaps we ll see some rain soon wont that be lovely. Paper - oops, I mean ink, oops confetti, money - is the root of all evil but I digress.
I hear Bill message not referring to Africans in Niger as primates......I hear Bill speculative to a President of the United States being out of touch with what’s actually happening there....
The 'primates' why do you feel the need to refer to the Africans in Niger as primates. By-all-means disagree with our idiotic and cruel foreign policy I certainly do, but please leave this insulting and degrading name-calling to rattle around in your antediluvian brain.
I didn't know this without doing a search, most of us wouldn't, but Primate Elijah Ayodele is his actual title. This is an ecclesiastical title for certain bishops in some, not all, Christian churches.
If this is the case -- I need to educate myself much more and will do so.
Much agreed.
Hi Lana -
Yup, I'd say so. That was pretty obvious with your first post....
Please quote the part where Bill referred to Africans in Niger as primates.
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Primate Warns Biden [using language from a Daily Post article). Using it as he imagines a convo with Nuland and Biden and finally "The Primate is right; God’s wrath awaits us all. "
Maybe you just ignored it or you didn't read it whatever. ... don't care. Considering this type of language was used to disparage people of African decent (me), I take umbrage and am admittedly sensitive to it. And just because the Daily Post chose to use it, doesn't mean it has to be used over and over again.
I don't want to get into a long conversation about this, Bonner being at the age he is, will do whatever suits him. I just felt the need to point out that it is offensive.
"Maybe you just ignored it or you didn't read it whatever. ... don't care."
Yes, I read it. But unlike you I was able to comprehend what I read. As Meesed pointed out, "Primate" (bishop) is an ecclesiastical title in some churches.
Knee-jerk reactions can be a little embarrassing sometimes, can't they.
Hi again Lana -
It must get hard at times going through life seeing a racist under every rock and leaf...
Hey Star. Maybe it was a “micro aggression“. 😂😂😂
Hi,
I never called him a racist and abhor using the term as a weapon like those on the left. I said applying the term primate to a African was offensive and it IS offensive if that was the case. Another commenter provided an alternate explanation of how the term was used and I agreed to look into it.
Are you done now?! Or do you want to continue -- up to you!
Hi Lana -
Nah, I'm good. Consider me properly chastised I guess...
Hi LANA. I was a white male of a certain age. All I have heard for the last 10 years is I am a racist. It truly gets old. There are so many minorities that make more than the average white family. There is no systemic racism in this country. I am truly not trying to be unkind.
At 81, I could be offended by you reference to age as predicating action to do( or say)whatever suits me. But I am not. Just saying, your sensitivity is noted, but I don’t accept your correlation on that or Bill’s use of Primate Elijah Ayodele’s name and official title to make his points succinct. No name calling heard by me.
Hey Tom. If all you were thinking about in your life is racism, you are sure to find it. You are so right my friend.
“Fraud” and/or “fantasy” begets “fiasco”, or worse. Yep!
Bill, So is it Democracy we wish to bring to Niger,or to protect corporate interests in Uranium mines. Our flag of Democracy is tattered by Corporate interests.Isn't time to call a spade a spade, and bring our troops home and leave the rest of the world alone.
My favorite Kissinger quotes:
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
-Henry Kissinger
Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.
-Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in The Final Days, 1976
Hey Alex. On the subject of solar panels. I was telling a story of a guy upstate New York, who had a system installed in 2014 it needed service in 2021 and the system was at that point not the correct system. Due to new regulations. for him it did not work for you. If you do that kind of work, maybe it does work financially. Due to the above nonsense I don’t think it works for the average homeowner in 2023 may be in 40 or 50 years. Just my opinion.
Solar works great, and has a relatively short payback period, in Kalifornia. Aridzona, too. Any state that has plenty of sunshine is a no-brainer for solar. I didn't think it would make sense for upstate New York, but apparently the payback period is 16 years (all of New York):
https://www.paradisesolarenergy.com/blog/payback-and-roi-of-solar-energy-for-homeowners#NewYork
I can't understand, though, why solar is installed in Canaduh or Germany or Britain. People spend their money on the craziest things, eh? Also, the panels themselves are pretty cheap.
Ask congress for billions for Ukraine, the Republicans are hesitant but earmark the loot none the less.
DC is a no an obvious mess, it used to be every Democrat in our part of the nation sported a lawn sign; 'War is not the Answer' they all disappeared when Obama got elected. Possibly the Republicans might make a good market some of those signs gathering dust in Democrat's basements?