Your stories are what I look forward to. Your reading of "The Night Before Christmas" brought back memories of my late husband reading it to our 4 children on Christmas Eve. Eventually they had it memorized and we passed the book around as each of us recited a page. Great memories. Argentina, Ireland, France, England - wherever you go, I appreciate your stories and your common sense.
Not sure if it will work with pheasant, but I used to hunt grouse in Canada. Basically only the breast was worth eating. So, while the bird was still warm, you spread it's wings on the ground and placed one foot upon each. Then grab the legs and gently pull up. The result was a clean breast attached to the wings and nothing else. Then you snap the wings off and voila, you stuffed your meal in your jacket pocket.
Hard for me to fathom how anyone can find pleasure killing defenseless animals. If they want to kill, they should join the military. I was prepared to do so (rifle and pistol marksman) but never fired a round in anger in thirty years of service. Killed lots of paper targets, however, to prove periodically my skill. The secret, I found, was a soft trigger pull.
Cocky I was too until some years ago at Colonial Williamsburg VA. I went to a musket firing range. I was there with a retired cop and a middle aged woman who had never fired anything in her life. Of the three shooters, I was dead last; the cop a respectable second and the middle age woman a genuine sharpshooter.
"Hard for me to fathom how anyone can find pleasure killing defenseless animals."
Many of us kill those "defenseless animals" because we're meat eaters and they taste good, Jimm. Since you didn't respond to my question about whether or not you're a vegetarian I'm going to assume that you aren't. If my assumption is correct, you have some explaining to do. Why is it okay for you to pay someone else to do the killing for you? Do you feel some sense of moral superiority because your hands aren't stained with the blood of that cow you consumed? Are you really less responsible for its death than the guy who wielded the bolt gun?
I grew up hunting and fishing. I don't think I ever tasted beef or chicken until I was at least 16. I didn't even know what a butterball was when I was growing up as we ate wild turkey for Thanksgiving that we had hunted and killed ourselves . We ate deer, elk, pronghorn, javelina, ducks, geese, pheasants, grouse, chukars, rabbits, and various kinds of fish. When we could draw a tag there was also bison. Yearly trips to Alaska provided us with moose, caribou, and sheep, along with salmon and halibut. Everything we killed was carefully taken care of and most parts of the animals were used. We made things with the hides and used feathers and hair to tie flies. We weren't bloodthirsty killers who just did it only for "pleasure". It was a way of life and quite frankly it was a good way of life. Still is.
Are there hunters who hunt solely because they get their jollies by killing something? Yeah, I've met a few.
But most of us are decent people who do it for reasons other than just "pleasure".
By the way, I liked your story about the woman shooter. I've been a competitive shooter for most of my life and I know quite a few women I'd rather not go up against.
The first part of your post simply isn't true, PG. There are native populations in Alaska (and most likely in Canada too) that subsist almost solely on what they can hunt and kill. I've spent time in some of the native villages and hunting is NOT for pleasure---it's strictly for survival.
You can avoid the disaster in Joel's bond chart by buying individual Treasury bonds direct from the government and holding them to maturity. This is what I do, and it works great, provided you don't need to sell them at a capital loss during a bear bond market like we have now. Still get killed by inflation!
I stand by my statement: Hard for me to fathom how anyone can find pleasure killing defenseless animals. I'm sure you'll agree there's no need to go tramping in the wild to use high powered rifles with scopes to find and slaughter animals simply trying to subsist when animals are bred to sate your need to taste the flesh of carnivores. It's the needlessness made reprehensible by the joy killing that I find sickening.
I'm sure I don't agree. In fact your statement is so mind bogglingly insipid that I have a hard time believing you're serious. Are you actually suggesting that an elk has more of a right to live than a cow?? Or a pheasant than a chicken?? Seriously??
And as far as "defenseless animals" go, how much more defenseless can you get than a animal in a slaughterhouse! How many cows do you think manage to elude the bolt gun? On the other hand there are tens of thousands of elk that elude those "high powered rifles with scopes" every year. Where I live the success rate for elk is under 30%. I know hunters who have hunted for over 20 years and NEVER killed an elk. So spare me the "defenseless animal" nonsense. You want to cry about "defenseless" maybe you should shed a tear over your next beef steak.
Agree completely. Both of those men are NATIONAL TREASURES that each have more Wisdom, Intellect and Common Sense in their toenail clippings than all of Washington D.C. combined.
Sadly, they have been demonized, denigrated, ridiculed or ignored because of their Conservatism. What makes it doubly disgusting is the fact that (for those of you who don't know), both men are black.
Ahh - another example of the domestic enemies among us - the "compassionate" left...
Your stories are what I look forward to. Your reading of "The Night Before Christmas" brought back memories of my late husband reading it to our 4 children on Christmas Eve. Eventually they had it memorized and we passed the book around as each of us recited a page. Great memories. Argentina, Ireland, France, England - wherever you go, I appreciate your stories and your common sense.
Not sure if it will work with pheasant, but I used to hunt grouse in Canada. Basically only the breast was worth eating. So, while the bird was still warm, you spread it's wings on the ground and placed one foot upon each. Then grab the legs and gently pull up. The result was a clean breast attached to the wings and nothing else. Then you snap the wings off and voila, you stuffed your meal in your jacket pocket.
The manner in which you described mutilating a hapless grouse while "still warm" suggests you killed for pleasure; not need.
Roberts. When you eat a burger that animal died in a slaughter house. Trust me that bird did better.
I am sure you’re right.
FYI: I don’t eat meat.
Lighten up.
You REALLY need to lighten up if you were actually responding to my comment to Jimm.
No one was addressing you.
I figured it was a mistake. No offense taken.
You a vegetarian, Jimm? If not you should probably just sit this one out.
He was probably just reducing the amount to carry down to the best parts
Actually, reducing down to the only edible parts IMO.
SOP when bird hunting...
Hard for me to fathom how anyone can find pleasure killing defenseless animals. If they want to kill, they should join the military. I was prepared to do so (rifle and pistol marksman) but never fired a round in anger in thirty years of service. Killed lots of paper targets, however, to prove periodically my skill. The secret, I found, was a soft trigger pull.
Cocky I was too until some years ago at Colonial Williamsburg VA. I went to a musket firing range. I was there with a retired cop and a middle aged woman who had never fired anything in her life. Of the three shooters, I was dead last; the cop a respectable second and the middle age woman a genuine sharpshooter.
"Hard for me to fathom how anyone can find pleasure killing defenseless animals."
Many of us kill those "defenseless animals" because we're meat eaters and they taste good, Jimm. Since you didn't respond to my question about whether or not you're a vegetarian I'm going to assume that you aren't. If my assumption is correct, you have some explaining to do. Why is it okay for you to pay someone else to do the killing for you? Do you feel some sense of moral superiority because your hands aren't stained with the blood of that cow you consumed? Are you really less responsible for its death than the guy who wielded the bolt gun?
I grew up hunting and fishing. I don't think I ever tasted beef or chicken until I was at least 16. I didn't even know what a butterball was when I was growing up as we ate wild turkey for Thanksgiving that we had hunted and killed ourselves . We ate deer, elk, pronghorn, javelina, ducks, geese, pheasants, grouse, chukars, rabbits, and various kinds of fish. When we could draw a tag there was also bison. Yearly trips to Alaska provided us with moose, caribou, and sheep, along with salmon and halibut. Everything we killed was carefully taken care of and most parts of the animals were used. We made things with the hides and used feathers and hair to tie flies. We weren't bloodthirsty killers who just did it only for "pleasure". It was a way of life and quite frankly it was a good way of life. Still is.
Are there hunters who hunt solely because they get their jollies by killing something? Yeah, I've met a few.
But most of us are decent people who do it for reasons other than just "pleasure".
By the way, I liked your story about the woman shooter. I've been a competitive shooter for most of my life and I know quite a few women I'd rather not go up against.
The first part of your post simply isn't true, PG. There are native populations in Alaska (and most likely in Canada too) that subsist almost solely on what they can hunt and kill. I've spent time in some of the native villages and hunting is NOT for pleasure---it's strictly for survival.
You can avoid the disaster in Joel's bond chart by buying individual Treasury bonds direct from the government and holding them to maturity. This is what I do, and it works great, provided you don't need to sell them at a capital loss during a bear bond market like we have now. Still get killed by inflation!
I stand by my statement: Hard for me to fathom how anyone can find pleasure killing defenseless animals. I'm sure you'll agree there's no need to go tramping in the wild to use high powered rifles with scopes to find and slaughter animals simply trying to subsist when animals are bred to sate your need to taste the flesh of carnivores. It's the needlessness made reprehensible by the joy killing that I find sickening.
I'm sure I don't agree. In fact your statement is so mind bogglingly insipid that I have a hard time believing you're serious. Are you actually suggesting that an elk has more of a right to live than a cow?? Or a pheasant than a chicken?? Seriously??
And as far as "defenseless animals" go, how much more defenseless can you get than a animal in a slaughterhouse! How many cows do you think manage to elude the bolt gun? On the other hand there are tens of thousands of elk that elude those "high powered rifles with scopes" every year. Where I live the success rate for elk is under 30%. I know hunters who have hunted for over 20 years and NEVER killed an elk. So spare me the "defenseless animal" nonsense. You want to cry about "defenseless" maybe you should shed a tear over your next beef steak.
Hey, Bill, Have You Ever Been To The ANCIENT SOUTH RIVER CLUB? We’re in our ‘New’ Clubhouse, opened in 1742.
Long Live Southern Maryland!
PG. Yep. To all try Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell. Brilliant men both.
Hey Farmer -
Agree completely. Both of those men are NATIONAL TREASURES that each have more Wisdom, Intellect and Common Sense in their toenail clippings than all of Washington D.C. combined.
Sadly, they have been demonized, denigrated, ridiculed or ignored because of their Conservatism. What makes it doubly disgusting is the fact that (for those of you who don't know), both men are black.
Ahh - another example of the domestic enemies among us - the "compassionate" left...
That last sentence made me laugh out loud!