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Paul Murray's avatar

America lost its way after 9/11? I thought America lost its way in 1971, when Nixon closed the infamous Gold Window? Some say America lost its way in 1950 when Truman fired MacArthur for coming within a whisker of winning the War of Unification in Korea. Some say America lost its way when it instituted the essentially unconstitutional Civil Rights Act in 1964. But as a longtime Bonnerite, I'm bought into the "when the money goes, everything goes" argument. Therefore, America lost its way when it ditched redeemable currency (last issuance: 1957 C. Douglas Dillon silver certificate) and silver coinage (1964 being the last issuance). Does it really matter? America lost its way; that's the bottom line. Still, the fact that its taken 55 years to get where we are now shows just how much substance there was at one time.

And the idea that made America "America" will never die. It may lie dormant, seemingly dead, seemingly buried, seemingly discredited, but it will never die. We've seen to that. Best always. PM

Cartero Atómico's avatar

How about the US lost its way when it decided to allow the French to recolonize Vietnam after WW2? First, France is defeated but then hubris prevented the US from learning from the French mistake. DeGaulle told the US that a military solution was destined for failure and that the government of South Vietnam had little popular support.

The debt resulting from the war spending then led Nixon to take us off the gold standard resulting in a money printing spree that devalued the dollar and created inflation.

Bruce Wayne Yount's avatar

Absolutely correct in your assessment!

James ( Jim) Marshall's avatar

Paul, that is a great summary of the slow decline we have lived through. Your last sentence is 100% correct.

Jim Marshall

Xavier Narutowicz's avatar

The US debased the dollar in 1971, went off the gold standard.

There was a reason for it.

Eisenhower, the illustrious general and departing president warned about it… The Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex.

They killed Kennedy and perverted the American economy. The war machine ramped up debt and destruction and propagated lies that the American people swallowed. It killed any necessary industry; more and more capital funneled into anything subsidized by the government. Remember the Lockheed fiasco? Government controlled markets, government controlled all things, government was omnipotent, the talking heads and experts had ushered in a new Age of Aquarius, reality took a backseat and serendipity reined. Few got rich, most got destroyed.

Kevin Wood's avatar

“If your train's on the wrong track, every station you come to is the wrong station.”

— Bernard Malamud

Xavier Narutowicz's avatar

You should have said, “The US ended up as Gary, Indiana. That dismal place is replicated all over America.

Paul Murray's avatar

Was the model sustainable? We're still hung up on the idea of perpetual, eternal "growth". Just as in life, growth is easy and natural. Sustaining is the challenge. Best always. PM

Xavier Narutowicz's avatar

Well, life has to be sustained; you must consume and produce necessities. Who cares about growth; it is an accounting illusion spurred by inflation, the debasement of currency.

There is a guy on Facebook that visits wrecked cities, a running video of harsh Dystopia with statistics. He recently visited Jackson, Mississippi but he has been to Maine.

Next time I run across it I will send a web page.

anthony low-beer's avatar

Not so sure that the 'stuff' survives. The burning fire of the paper could destroy the stuff, too. Like the 18 year old kid with his July 4th rocket launcher on the back of a truck who ignited a forest fire that killed a bystander and caused millions in damages

Egypt Solomon's avatar

I love the proposition: “America lost its way.”

Lost its way?!

We’re a civilization with GPS satellites orbiting the planet!

How the F*C* are we still lost?

Apparently the nation boarded a train bound for glory and ended up in Gary, Indiana. That’s not foreign policy. That’s Amtrak.

Apparently trillions were spent.

That’s an astonishing amount of money.

Because after about $500 billion, you’d expect somebody to walk into the Pentagon and ask:

“HOW’S IT GOING?”

One trillion:

“How’s the war?”

“Complicated.”

Two trillion:

“Any progress?”

“Strategic.”

Three trillion:

“Are we winning?”

“Multidimensional.”

Four trillion:

“What does that mean?”

“Classified.”

Five trillion:

“What’s the exit strategy?”

“Evolving.”

Six trillion:

“Who exactly are we fighting now?”

“It’s complicated.”

Seven trillion:

“Could I see a receipt?”

“YOU DIRTY COMMUNIST!”

Government procurement is the only place where you can spend trillions of dollars and receive an answer beginning with:

“Well, technically…”

Try that at Costco.

“Sir, you spent $4,700.”

“What did I buy?”

“Well, technically…”

“GET THE MANAGER.”

I don’t know why everyone criticizes Gary, Indiana.

I’ve never been.

Perhaps it’s lovely.

Although being used as the punchline for imperial decline probably isn’t helping tourism. The theory seems to be that America didn’t lose its way. It found it. That’s darker. Usually when you’re lost, there’s hope. You can ask directions. If you’ve arrived exactly where you were headed…that’s more of a planning issue.

Kevin Johnson's avatar

The GWOT was deliberately initiated by a false flag and has become a bad joke as millions of illegals have since been allowed if not enabled to swarm across West Israel’s borders. “Muh terrorists” - LOL.

Also add Reagan to the list of traitorous presidents.

Gary Ailes's avatar

I see the bubble and wonder when the pop will occur. Since we don't have any responsible leadership in the US, I don't see a way to avoid that explosion. As you evaluate where the US is, how does that relate to the debt in other countries around the world?

Angry Icebergs's avatar

I wonder what CAGW's (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming) enthusiasts would've thought if a mere 5 years ago they were told diesel would be the most sought-after fuel...

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The cheapest fuel to produce, (except for added environmental standards)

The dirtiest fossil fuel of them all...

Is now holding the world hostage...

Paul Murray's avatar

That was the original allure of diesel: it was a "garbage" fuel, essentially a by-product, what's left after skimming off the "valuable" aromatics. Best always. PM