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Egypt Solomon's avatar

Peter the Boom, this guy treats war like it’s a personality trait. “We negotiate with bombs.” Yeah, and I negotiate with my landlord by setting my couch on fire. Let’s see how that goes.

This dude’s entire strategy sounds like it was scribbled on the back of a protein shake label. “Destroy the enemy as viciously as possible from moment one.” Moment one? Buddy, you don’t even understand moment two. That’s where consequences live. That’s where history walks in, looks around, and goes: “Oh wow, you did this again?” But everybody loves it! Of course they do. Everybody loves a strongman with the intellectual depth of a turd in a parking lot, and now he’s running the biggest economic demolition company on Earth. Congratulations, Pete! You turned global trade into a game of Jenga, and your first move was a sledgehammer.

It Seems a little inefficient, but what do I know, call me old-fashioned, usually when I want someone to cooperate, I don’t start by removing their infrastructure, and now the Strait of Hormuz is blocked, which is very interesting, because that’s where the oil goes. And the oil, well…that’s kind of important. So now the US is standing there like a guy who cut his own brake lines and is surprised the car won’t stop. But Peter of Boom “Well, we’ll just send more bombers.” Yeah… that’ll help, let’s fix a broken clock by throwing another clock at it. I mean, eventually you just have..two broken clocks, and a very confused sense of time.

President Trump finally solved the problem of complex decision-making, he removed the complexity and the decision-making. Trump’s grand doctrine is simple: if reality disagrees with you, bomb reality until it apologizes. They think nuance is a type of weakness and foresight is a rumor started by cowards. “Negotiate with bombs”? Detonate the conversation! These guys are not playing chess, they’re flipping the board, eating the pieces, and calling it a win because nobody else can play anymore. Newsflash: if your entire plan fits on a bumper sticker, it’s not a doctrine, it’s a warning label.

You know, if bombs are how you negotiate, then what happens when the other guy negotiates back?

Do you compare explosions?

Is there a scoreboard?

Because it seems like eventually you just run outta things to negotiate with, and then you’re left standing there, in a very quiet place, surrounded by the results of a very loud argument, wondering why nobody wants to talk anymore.

But I guess that’s the plan.

Less talking, more silence, so buy more gold, because…..

Silence is golden

But my eyes still see

Silence is golden, golden

But my eyes still see (Tremeloes 1967)

Tom Langdon's avatar

Well to be sure your writing style is very sophisticated, fun, interesting with great analogies and even better metaphors. However, the content is right up there with parking lot turd you mentioned in your missive.

Egypt Solomon's avatar

Well…that’s about the nicest way anyone’s ever told me to go to hell. 🤩

Ed Uehling's avatar

Tom, Tom, Tom, Egypt has just shared with us one of the most brilliant explanations--from a dozen different directions--how unbelievably stupid and completely counterproductive the "policy" of our government in Iran happens to be, and you respond in the manner of an 8-year old making a joke in the playground: no contrary information, no context, no thought, no class, and absolutely no usefulness. Just sensationalist name-calling. Egypt provided very useful context for his use of the term. What is shocking to me is that ANY educated adult could find anything to "like" about your response. Yet nine people in our group of presumably educated adults found the time and inclination to second your comment. What is going on? Is that really how "you people" deal with conflict at home and at work? Hopefully, Bill is able to add a third response to what we post herein: "disgusting"!

Harold Shaeffer's avatar

Egypt, now that was a good enjoyable read.

Fraser M's avatar

You're on top form today, sir! Particularly fine line about fixing a broken clock by throwing another clock at it.

Egypt Solomon's avatar

Well, I appreciate that Fraser. Always nice when a joke lands before the second clock does, and if it made sense too, that’s just frankly, a little suspicious. I started worrying I did something wrong. 😀

Patrick H Neff's avatar

You disappoint me, Egypt, such bloviation is not called for in this setting.

Egypt Solomon's avatar

You know Neff, I don’t mind disappointing people.

It’s kind of my brand.

But I gotta say, if this is “not the setting,” I’d hate to see the place where bloviation is encouraged, sounds like a real quiet room.

Tom Langdon's avatar

Yet, it is here begging for likes without the benefit of contribution.

Ed Uehling's avatar

As I stated above, it seems likely that you are engaging in in a tactic used commonly by "deciders" in this administration. It's called projection. They constantly refer to violence committed by the Iranians, who have never shot down an American passenger plane, bombed an American school, or even ever dropped a bomb on actual American soil, etc. The projection of one's own behavior combined with the telling of absolute lies is 100% transparent to the population of any country on earth, except "True Believers" in the US and Israel.

Patrick G's avatar

I am no fan of Pete Hegseth and am on record saying so a million times for myriad reasons. A few things. Hegseth is the guy who follows orders from Trump and Trump takes orders from his friends and frenemies in Saudi Russia China and anyone who sucks up to him who has a lot of money or power. I support the war however, long overdue. And need to finish it and finish off the mullahs and IRGC and work with a SECULAR leader in Iran. I have my choice but I dont have a vote. Bonner is a Boner Pacifist Isolationist and Libertarian. CEMENT SHOES.

Did Iran have a bomb yet? No unless Putin or China or DPRK gave him one, Or Pakistan. Were they close? Close enough and were warned LAST SUMMER TO NOT RESTART PROGRAM THEY IGNORED US. THEY GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED. DECAPITATION.

MBS knows the future of M.E. and Saudis rests in CHANGING THE IMAGE OF ISLAM and the region and inviting TOURISTS, a tad more tolerant though not as tolerant as Dubai, and do deals with the West. He is correct.

That means get rid of the Mullahs in Iran. So we did. And sunnis have extremists too but that mostly ended with the end of OBL and Al Qaeda, though some crazies exist in Africa.

THis will wrap soon. Watch Trump tonight at 900pm.

War is HELL. But a nuclear Iran is suicide and ARMAGGEDON. NO.

Liberate Iran

An Ol' LSO's avatar

Yep - and a nuclear Israel is worse. They are nuts behind belief. Let's hope they have to give up their nuclears too. Evil state that government of Israel........

Patrick G's avatar

Disagree vehemently I support Israel I support Bibi I support this war effort I believe in Gods Word the Holy Bible

An Ol' LSO's avatar

Well! that is one of you!

Ed Uehling's avatar

Well, thanks for making it clear that you support racism and genocide--and rape, torture and starvation!

Andrew TORRANCE's avatar

"Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please." So said Machiavelli. Does anyone in the State Department read him nowadays?

An Ol' LSO's avatar

Can anybody in the State Department read?

Sluggo's avatar

Mr. Bonner, since you have all the answers, why don’t YOU go use words and negotiate with Iran. Go show us how it’s done. Secure peace in our time with words. Should work like a champ with the “Death to America” ayatollahs, mullahs, and assorted imams.

Put your money where your mouth is. I double-dog dare you.

Frank Westmoreland's avatar

Mr. Sluggo, I usually don't read Bill more than once a week because he is not what he used to be. But I decided to take a gander today just for grins. He quotes two leftist news orgs, which speaks volumes. And he quotes others rather than saying these things himself.

Der Speigel indicates that Pres. Trump has no dignified way out and that he is trapped. Of course they don't explain/support what they mean. I would think that even if Pres. Trump pulls out in a month, leaving the Strait of Hormuz as it was before the attack, he has still sent a strong message about the mullahs' insane need to build nuclear weapons and to spread terrorism around the world. And he has also sent a message to those leftist leaders who support Iran but are too cowardly to publicly say it. Then he would naturally say that he will be back if they don't get the message. Sounds like a solidly incremental way of dealing with the matter, and a dignified message to me. And few U.S. soldiers are killed or injured, the oil price goes back down, and stocks go back up. And I notice that the mullahs suddenly want to negotiate. This might be a delaying tactic, but it shows that bombing rather than massive ground troop involvement works.

I remember after Oct. 7, 2023, Israel angerly struck out at Hamas in Gaza with a massive ground attack and suffered considerable casualties. Then they wised up and bombed Hamas until they were willing to negotiate. And the IDF troop casualty numbers dropped dramatically during the massive bombing.

Now Pres. Trump might make a mistake and send in a massive number of ground troops, greatly escalating the conflict. I think this would be a mistake because the Iranian people have not shown they are willing to fight and die for their freedom. But unless he makes a mistake, I see his incremental approach as a dignified, common sense way of handling the matter.

working stiff's avatar

Thanks Frank, always good to read common sense without a tilt toward the fatalism Billy the Bullshitter Bonner has grown accustom to. Man if he don't like you he shreds - at least today he was off Trump and on to Pete.... best.

Cartero Atómico's avatar

Since you mentioned Death to America I'm wondering how you would feel if the shoe's on the other foot. Let's say China coups the US government and replaced it with a brutal dictator. Then when that dictator is overthrown and flees to China but China refuses to extradite him to the US. Would you oppose young Americans taking over the US embassy and demanding his return? After that China backs Mexico with military aid when it invades the US (like we did when Hussein invaded Iran) resulting in over a million US casualties. Would you criticize Americans marching in the streets shouting "Death to China"?

KDS's avatar

Simply using words (negotiating) with a self-avowed enemy, bent on your destruction (for many decades past) and actively working to accomplish it, is like going into a gun fight with a knife and starting by giving your enemy your knife. It reminds me: Islamists (Iran) may give their enemies three options — convert, acquiesce to being their slave, or die. They never tell you the fourth option: Kill them before they kill you.

Tom Langdon's avatar

Why is this lesson so hard for leftist to understand? Well they well understand, its just that they support the destruction of a constitutional republic that separates the wheat from the chaff without the benefit DEI due process.

Ed Uehling's avatar

You must be talking about Israel. It's certainly the way it has been acting. The rest of the world knows this and considers Israel to be a pariah country. Only a minority of Americans actually believe differently.

KDS's avatar

Of course not. I’m talking about radical Islamists, servants of Satan’s demon-god Allah, and perhaps others who are like-minded against Almighty God’s original chosen people who were actually given almost all of the Levant by God Himself in perpetuity (which Israel is not now trying to claim). It matters what Almighty God thinks, not the majority of people who are serving Satan.

Fazal Sheriff's avatar

Just over a month ago The St of Hormuz was… OPEN🎉✅ Now, it IS CLOSED and the Prime objective Is to have it .. Opened! The Irony of it All 🤣. Oil, The Petrodollar and… Greater Israel. How to Triangulate ALL 3 Successfully?…

Bob O'Brien's avatar

The prime objective is to destroy Irans ability to build that first nuclear weapon.

Philip Pickett's avatar

Sirs, interested in objectivity & research from a highly qualified, professional and worthy team in order to hopefully improve investment skills & knowledge over time, but finding increasingly tedious the 'swivel-eyed' unobjective outbreaks of TDS to the point where one might easily imagine our proprietor cheering on victory to his own country's most mortal, vocal and avowed enemy just to prove a point.

Kevin Beck's avatar

If the US maintains that "negotiating" strategy, they may soon find themselves without people to negotiate with. So they will "gain" in terms of being able to force a submission of sorts, but will ensure rage from those they oppress.

If there was an embodiment of the Hegseth war style, I think of "King" Kong from Dr Strangelove.

Cartero Atómico's avatar

Or maybe General Buck Turgidson "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops! Uh, depending on the breaks."

Kevin Beck's avatar

Good choice! I had a difficult dilemma between them. I went with Kong because he rode the bomb down at the end. He wanted to be on the front lines taking the fight to the enemy, instead of hiding in a cubbyhole in the Pentragram ... er, Pentagon.

Cartero Atómico's avatar

Can you picture Hegseth channeling Gen Turgidson and saying this to his girlfriend: "I know how it is, baby. Tell you what you do: you just start your countdown, and old Bucky'll be back here before you can say 'Blast off".

Kevin Beck's avatar

Well, he also likes to be in close proximity to the troops. Maybe he thinks they'll actually protect him, instead of throwing him out with the bomb.

James ( Jim) Marshall's avatar

Well we could say the Iran situation rhymes with historical events for the British, but I hope not. Yes I know, hope is not a strategy but at this point in this conflict, I expect it will require taking out key infrastructure to break Iran's hold on the straights. That probably means "boot on the ground". 61 years ago I participated in an activity not fully backed by the political class and we all know how that turned out. I pray God will impart some sense into the heads of those calling the shots today.

Jim Marshall

Lincolnbulldog's avatar

Read Hegseth’sbook on the military. It has many multi syllable words, but you may be able to handle it. Character abuse is a petty tactic if you disagree with someone. I read your research because I respect your analytical abilities not to read immature cheap shots. These swords are all double edged, analysis is imperative.

Graham Jones's avatar

Biden ‘ I knew the best way to accelerate de-dollarisation’;

Trump ‘hold my beer …’

Paul Murray's avatar

"I'm a Fool to Care" was a Western juke box song recorded by Ted Daffan in 1940 on the Okeh label (specialty market down-label for Columbia). It has since been covered numerous times up to the present time. The two versions with which I'm most familiar are the ones by Fats Domino and Rick Nelson, but the original is interesting as well. It pretty much sums up my feelings about it all. Best always. PM

P.S. Daffan is the same guy who wrote and recorded the now-classic (also on Okeh, 1942) "Born to Lose", for which Ray Charles made him some pretty royalty money in 1962 when Daffan was already in retirement. It kind of fits here, too. PM

Paul Murray's avatar

From a lost time when Western was its own genre. Clem, many thanks and Best always. PM

P.S. Bob Wills is STILL the King. PM

JayCee's avatar

Sure was the case with the WW2 and Japan.

USA had to deal with the resident ‘ManGod’ and his henchmen of brainwashed killers.

Hiroshima on August 6, 1945 (nicknamed "Little Boy"), and the second on Nagasaki on August 9, 1945 (nicknamed "Fat Man").

Very real QED event.

Would the Gulf country’s weep?

Russians would have a “Come to Vodka” moment.

A large Asian country may stew about South China Sea sunken airstrips and Taiwan ‘Try to grab, bleed out and collapse’

Oh Yes, THE UN !

Ants nest in revolution, threaten to vacate NY, the democratic temple of hypocrites and squalid evil will yell and scream then dine out at the finest.

Fraser M's avatar

The words are English. But I've no idea what they mean when you put them together like that... 🤔

FVM's avatar

Perhaps the only way to parry Iran's conversion of the Hormuz Strait and other nearby choke points subject to Houthi interdiction of passage into toll booths where tolls (tariffs) are collected in yuan or gold dinars is to accelerate the conversion of US power generation to nuclear using latest models of generating plant design that can't melt down like Chernobyl or Three Mile Island. That and continuing progress on battery technology could push hydrocarbons into more useful channels like making plastics, dyes, and pharmaceuticals. Let Africa and the Eurasian polities continue to run on hydrocarbons, and choke on the fumes while the Americas go nuclear-driven electric and develop Lunar and Lunar orbit industries and prepare the bases for reaching and terraforming Mars and mining the asteroids. Perhaps an asteroid or two will be found to match the silver mountain at Potosi? Or even gold? Revisit the relevant Twilight Zone episode.

FVM's avatar

Lol. Just thinking outside the box with a few far fetched ideas that might provoke migration to some overlooked possibilities that would actually be doable withing the available time frame. Maybe it's far too late, but worth a look anyway. How do you process fraught circumstances? The Japanese thought they had the allies over a barrel with their fortress redoubt approach to defending the home islands. The allies decided not to take the bait and instead bypassing the redoubts and cutting off their resupply so their garrisons became primitive farmers on tiny plots of land and experienced huge mortality rates without the allies firing a shot.. Iran is executing its "escalation trap" strategy. Maybe we can avoid taking the bait? For that, another approach is needed. What would you suggest from what you see outside your box?

Don Hrehirchek's avatar

My suggestion is to get on Your hands and knees and look up for some Divine intervention. But what do I know , just being a regular peon?

FVM's avatar

That's always a good idea, and especially when the governing powers have cast the die on a hugely uncertain pathway. Proverbs 16:33 applies, so it would be unwise to fail to make appeal to the Creator of heaven and earth. Having done that, what next? If anything.

Don Hrehirchek's avatar

I suspect a little patience and In the mean time keep that communication line open. Cause If I knew the answers I would have a direct line to the Creator on this matter. I do not and wait patiently for the answers to come to Whom He decides to give them to.

FVM's avatar

Yes. Habakkuk's prayer in Hab 3 is a good model for how to approach very bad news. First had my attention drawn to it in the 1970's by a missionary just returned from a very difficult and discouraging experience in her field (a radio station in Alaska). Many occasions since to echo old Hab's sentiment.

Cartero Atómico's avatar

How about this for outside the box thinking: with the national debt over $39 trillion we simply withdraw? We eventually withdrew from Vietnam and Afghanistan but first we spent trillions and dug a deeper hole for our future generations. Maybe we learn a lesson from history - the US should never have overthrown the democratic Iranian government in 1953 in the first place.

Andrew lawson's avatar

Jimmy Carter put the Mullahs into power by refusing any support for the Shar. " Wait and see what happens " were his words. 47 years later his stupidity is still bearing fruit.

The moslems had no hesitation putting bullets in the heads of all their former leftist helpers. Allah doesn't care for atheists! but will use them. Telling lies to promote Allah is a good point with Islam, mohhamed did it all the time as a strategy to win. Mass murder of infidels is another way to guarantee paradise for believers.

Cartero Atómico's avatar

Please list your sources for all the "infidels" that Iran has killed since 1979? Then compare those numbers to the "infidels" the US has killed this century with their war of terror. But also please tell me why the CIA overthrew the democratically elected president of Iran in 1953 and installed a corrupt dictator, the Shah. And then tell me why our tax dollars should have been used to support him. Also do you realize that the US provided military aid including chemical weapons to Sadaam Hussein for his invasion of Iran in 1979. That war resulted in over 200,000 Iranian casualties. And yes Hussein was once our ally before he became Enemy #1, just like Noriega and Osama. Turns out our government as evidenced by the coverup of Epstein blackmail operation files is as evil as any government. Maybe because the psychopaths rise to the top?

Andrew lawson's avatar

President Eisenhower warned about letting the military industry get control of the govt.

How Trump thinks he can remove the Mullahs from power is a big question.

His current Gulf country allies will depart as soon as they please and NATO countries have been no use, even though they need the oil. The US doesn't need the oil or gas.

The US policy of invading Iraq was a disaster.

Ed Uehling's avatar

Cartero, you use real facts and real logic. That will go over the heads of the fantasy-driven True Believers here. Amazing how people, even in the circle here, are incapable to putting themselves into the shoes of the people they hate-on and/lor are unwilling to acknowledge the reality that our demonization of Iran started in the 1950's 100% created by American/English oil interests who destroyed the democratic birth of Iran solely out of our greed and misbelief that Iran's oil didn't and still doesn't belong to Iran, but to us! Absolutely simple and unbelievable that, even with the ability to learn about the truths of the that 75-year period, we cling to falsehoods.