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FlyingDad's avatar

Jumping the border fence is not immigration Bill.

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

When did Bill ever suggest that “jumping the fence” is immigration? You’re arguing with a strawman.

What he did say was that scaring away immigrants — legal or otherwise — damages growth. And whether you like it or not, most of the people working in fields, warehouses, and processing plants weren’t exactly born in Des Moines. Many of them are undocumented, yet vital to the system you benefit from.

So if you’re outraged about individuals “jumping the fence,” maybe ask why the system keeps rewarding those who hire them. Or better yet — ask who really benefits from keeping it that way.

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Mark S.'s avatar

I voted Trump hoping for #1, #2 and a #3 bonus, but got Hulk Hogan and all of the fake performances and theater. Been duped yet again..

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

Oh, Mark, so spot-on. The problem was there were only 2 choices. Kamala or the TACO Clown. What was a poor voter to do. Think about that - Kamala actually the nominee for one of the two parties? Kamala? Who probably did things to Willie Brown that would make Epstein blush. Do we peons even think for a moment how our choices come about? Frankly, I am an ol' man and have never given it much thought - until now. Ponder it for a moment and you'll find out we voters are grifted, grifted, and grifted again. And think about the ol' saying - "if voting was important, they wouldn't let us." Voting isn't important because the elites, neocons, etc give us their choices. Think about it - when is the last time a President served, really served - not a fake National Guard position during the Vietnam War and protected from going across an ocean - only one since Eisenhower - ol' Bush No. 1 (Korea). But like Trump's Dad, good ol' No. 1 didn't let his son get anywhere near close. Just the way the World works. Solutions - people continually ask for here - Ol' Bill provided some today and there isn't a FAT CHANCE in Hell any of his spot-on suggestions will see the light of day. Oh, No - wouldn't be prudent for our Masters. As always, just wondering...........

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

Oh Ol' LSO, dead on. The real kicker isn’t that the choices were bad—it’s that those were the only two choices on offer. Kamala, who delivers every sentence like she’s stalling for a punchline that never comes, or Trump, who once declared his love for Hispanics over a taco bowl like that settled immigration. That’s the menu. Take it or leave it.

From the outside, it’s like watching a rerun that somehow keeps getting worse. The big democratic exercise boils down to a high-stakes coin toss between someone promoted for optics and someone who lives off outrage. And still, people ask, “Why is turnout low?” Maybe because more and more voters are realizing the house always wins.

And the military thing—there’s no pretending anymore. JFK commanded a PT boat that was sliced in half by a Japanese destroyer. He swam for miles through open water towing a wounded man by his life vest. George H. W. Bush flew combat missions in WWII and got shot down. Those two served. The rest? Draft deferments, desk jobs, or campaign photo ops in borrowed fatigues. Some couldn’t navigate a canoe, let alone a battlefield.

Bill Bonner offers real solutions—grounded, often uncomfortable. But they don’t fit the script, so they’re dismissed before they leave the launchpad. That’s not a bug in the system. That’s the system.

Just observing. And shaking my head.

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working stiff's avatar

Hey old man, you cry like an old lady. For example, the elites absolutely hate Trump, look at Bill. If voting didn't matter, how the hell did he get in office with near 80MM votes???? You remind me constantly of some past girlfriends, all they do is bitch and moan. Suck it up ole man.... you are crying a river.... what a whiner!

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Patrick H Neff's avatar

Hey ! Stiff , Ur not only delusional , Ur dumb, stupid, and ignorant .

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working stiff's avatar

What are you the son of "an Ol'lso? your idiotic comments make it sound as so, go join your daddy in the corner and wha, wha wha..... big F'ing cry babe.

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

Unfortunately, stiff, you are delusional. I'll give you your view but it is poppy-cocked. You think you "know" but as Yogi Berra quipped - "There are some people who, if they don't know already, you can't tell 'em." And you be one of them. Enjoy your Delusion!

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working stiff's avatar

wha, wha wha - when all you see is the corner you are crying in, the view and commentary is the same bullshit. Cry me a river....

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

Interesting take. So the elites hate Trump, but he spent four years cutting their taxes, boosting defense budgets, and surrounding himself with Goldman Sachs alumni? Strange kind of hatred.

As for voting: he lost the popular vote in 2016 and still won. That’s not democracy—it’s stagecraft. If the system really feared disruption, they’d have safeguards. Oh wait—they do.

Anyway, thanks for stopping by. Let me know when you're done comparing politics to ex-girlfriends.

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Mr. LSO. We did have John Kennedy World War II. He tried to end the Vietnam war and break up the CIA. You see where that got him Also, I believe Bush one was World War II.

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Xavier Narutowicz's avatar

Old Bush. Shot down in the Pacific WW2. He was rescued by a sub; if not, he would have been beheaded like all the other Americans that tried to bomb radar on an atoll. Read a whole book about the prisoners. Forgot the name.

We have a right to complain Trump duped us… more of the same. Worse than Kamala; at least she would have made laugh instead of cry.

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Dennis T.'s avatar

And yet Eisenhower set up a future where every nation no matter how hostile would have nukes. This while warning against the congressional industrial military complex.

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

You got it backwards.

Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex, yes — but he didn’t set up a future where “every hostile nation” would get nukes. In fact, he actively tried to prevent that outcome.

His Atoms for Peace program shared civilian nuclear technology (reactors, not weapons-grade material) under strict international oversight. The idea was to promote peaceful use of atomic energy, especially in developing nations, and to slow Soviet influence. Naïve? Maybe. But it was hardly a blueprint for nuclear proliferation.

Most actual nukes — the real threats — came from elsewhere:

The Soviets stole tech through espionage.

China, India, Pakistan, North Korea all developed weapons outside U.S. approval.

And then there’s Israel.

Here’s where things get interesting.

Israel got its nuclear capability not from Eisenhower, but through a covert partnership with France after the Suez Crisis. They built the Dimona reactor in secret. When the U.S. discovered it in the late '50s, Eisenhower demanded answers and opposed weaponization. He was stonewalled.

Then came JFK.

Kennedy pushed harder — demanding full inspections and threatening to cut support if Israel didn’t comply. Ben-Gurion abruptly resigned in 1963 after intense back-and-forth with JFK. Five months later, Kennedy was dead. And after that? The pressure disappeared. Johnson didn’t pursue it. Dimona kept running. Israel got the bomb — and to this day, they neither confirm nor deny it.

So if we’re talking about who enabled hostile nuclear states... Eisenhower isn’t the culprit. He tried to contain it. But between allies going rogue and the CIA playing geopolitical chess, the nukes spread anyway.

History rarely follows the official script. And sometimes the most dangerous things don’t come from the enemies you see — but from the friends you trust to tell you the truth.

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

Dennis, did not know that. I did know he warned against the military industrial complex. Any guidance to find out more about all nations having nukes? Thank you.

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Dennis T.'s avatar

Ike edited his original speech. Originally it included Congressional military....

Ike sold out he feared Congress would not support his presidency if the truth be known. Keep in mind Ike was a military man, did he really believe nuclear in the hands of all the world would lead to a utopia? War is an abstract until you see another mans head blow to bits.

History would be a wonderful thing – if it were only true.

- Leo Tolstoy

https://www.sciencehistory.org/stories/magazine/atoms-for-peace-the-mixed-legacy-of-eisenhowers-nuclear-gambit/

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Tom Vojtko the Dad's avatar

Great history article referencing the early days of nuclear energy and the "bomb" (nuclear and thermonuclear). Thanks for the reference.

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Thomas Vincze's avatar

There is all this talk about a third party, how about if we just had a SECOND party.

I'm tired of the Uniparty warfare welfare state which is rapidly bringing our country to ruin.

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Dennis T.'s avatar

We've only ever had one party. The two election machines get together each choses the lesser of two evils candidate. No matter who wins the boat is headed to the falls. Neither party is interested in turning around, fighting the current. The game works only because a few lone rational voices are allowed in the room. Folks like Rand Paul and his father before him, neither will ever be supported to run for higher office. These are used as relief valves as is allowing someone like Reagan, or Trump, let the people blow some steam off, while they are robbed and looted of their industry.

History is banned from public eduction and discourse. If the middle class ever figured out at the end of the 1800's a middle class income provided for homeownership without use of banks, 4 children, and 2 servants they might revolt.

My grandfather was paid in gold coin, which he kept in a safe behind the kitchen door. When he retied at age 55 the gold in his safe was equal in value to the gold saved over the course of the 35 years he worked for one company he eventually came to own. The $3000 in gold spent to build a nice twin home in Germantown sold for $200k in 1970. His gold and other savings (no investments) was worth just shy of one million when he passed at age 91.

I know all of this because he came to live with us in our very large home with 7 of his 26 grandchildren. I was raised in a middle class home, consisting of 2 acres, a 6 car garage, and a 5500 sq ft home. Middle Class has been redefined today, as two full time professional working parents of 1.5-2 children, a gym membership, two leased cars and a house they'll never stop paying for.

Voting has created the current system, it's really past time for a few hangings.

The colonialist knew how to deal with the taxman and his enforcers. Hot tar and feathers, burn their houses down with them inside.

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Thomas Vincze's avatar

Thanks for sharing that Dennis!

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Dobbs's avatar

There's been a lot of talk and interest lately about a better third party, another choice and direction. Well coincidentally, there is a new third party forming and just formed in many states that is about to start growing. It's called the We the People Party. In Oregon you can find information about it at WTPOR.com

I think the readers here might find the platform interesting and refreshing. In a nutshell, the idea is unlike the major parties (even including independents like libertarians etc) the party leaders are not going to dictate the political platform, candidates, or outcomes. It's going to be decided from the ground up at the local level and the members and candidates will have to affirm their adherence to its anti-corruption, financial transparency, constitutional based tenets, or they will be removed. The idea is to start at the local level because we can field candidates of our choice at no cost, And when in any uncontested elections of which there are many local positions to start with, which will be highly disruptive to the uni party machine... More to follow, but I encourage everybody to check out the national site as well, and get involved locally if there is a We the People Party in your state...

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Dennis T.'s avatar

I've not delved into the process envisioned by the Founding Fathers for how Congress and the Senate were to be chosen for office, but I'm very sure our current system is far from what the original draft of the Constitution instructs.

How is selecting Kamala Harris as the candidate in CA governors race, representing the will of the people of CA? Yes, they will vote for her, but what choice were they given?

Like a game of chess each party moves their pawns around the board it matters not their qualifications only they get elected, to in turn appoint more cronies.

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Thomas Vincze's avatar

Thank you for sharing that info Dobbs!

Something's going to have to eventually give!

Unfortunately it's probably going to entail a lot of suffering and hardship for our people before we turn this ship around.

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Content Disabled's avatar

Wow. Bill does it again. Bill, in future musings you may want to reflect on an open borders policy that led to mass illegal migration as opposed to regulated immigration that would incorporate labor (job) shortages in immigration policy. Bill, I think you are on the wrong side of the illegal immigration issue. If there are job shortages in certain industries a proper immigration policy can address that.

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Ed Uehling's avatar

I think he’s suggesting policies the government could (must) implement TODAY. Yesterday already happened and all the crying in the world about it won’t change a single thing. Our Trump got the power he asked for. Rather than help him make the situation even worse why not take the advice of Bill? Why the fixation on the past? Even crazier, why attack Bill? He didn’t whisper in Biden’s ear or have control of his automatic pen!

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working stiff's avatar

True, but he never attacked Biden like he is Trump.

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Ed Uehling's avatar

That’s his business. Can’t he operate his own businesses the way he wants. You guys who live solely in the past are worse than the “originarios” on his land in Argentina. He would probably be willing to make a trade off with them but the government won’t permit it. You guys cling to the past as if nothing has happened since Biden moved out of the White House. HUGE THINGS ARE HAPPENING EVERY DAY WORLDWIDE! Like never before and all you can talk about is how left wing Bill is and how much he loves Biden. Nothing is more untrue or wasteful of thought or energy.

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

Wait a sec… Weren’t you the one calling Ol’ LSO a crybaby? And now here you are upset that Bill’s being too mean to Trump?

Seems like you’re not against crying — just selective about who gets to do it.

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Content Disabled's avatar

Because 20 million illegal entries created a legal and economic morass that the U.S. may not recover from. The past for now has defined the mess we are in.

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Ed Uehling's avatar

That’s ridiculous! Every Problem has a solution, and the solution to this problem is not creating enemies all over the world

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

Because 20 million illegal entries didn’t happen in a vacuum. They created a legal and economic mess the U.S. might never fully recover from — and yes, the past is defining the present crisis.

But let’s be honest: it wasn’t the immigrants who built this trap. It was the people in charge — the ones who let the drugs in, looked the other way on human trafficking, and ran guns to unstable regions only to be shocked when those same weapons came back home.

They wanted cheap labor, and now they want to blame the laborers. All so you could keep paying $1.99 for lettuce and feel patriotic doing it.

Some might say the U.S. is finally getting what it paid for — and what it allowed, year after year, across both parties.

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Content Disabled's avatar

Very true.

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Tim Pallies's avatar

Another way to address it would be with wages. Labor's share of GDP has declined since the 70's if my memory serves.

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Richard Boaman's avatar

#1 - would be much quieter if the LEFT didn’t decide to riot and assault government officers and protect criminals.

#2 - may still happen but every democrat is fighting for bigger government and no federal job cuts.

Trump can’t do everything by issuing orders. Congress needs to pass the appropriate laws and this is gonna be tough with the left all on the wrong side.

#3 - my guess is it’s also not gonna happen but fiscal responsibility would negate the need.

All the things you say you want are going to require at least a few Dems to wake-up. Otherwise the only hope is that another 10M citizens wake up before Nov 2026.

Have a nice day.

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Wayne Daffer's avatar

Bill, You REALLY should get it straight in your head, along with millions of others with this mental block; what is legal and what makes an act illegal? If we open the borders, as has been the case for the past 4 years, do we have a country? Why should anyone sign up for a "friendly guest-worker program" when they can come and go as they please? I know plenty of immigrants and they spent thousands of dollars, and years to get here legally. They are pissed!

I truly believe we will NEVER have a sensible immigration policy until we make it impossible to swim the stream to bypass the system. Why waste our time, what's the use?

Can you imagine the price that would need to be placed on gold if we went back to that standard?

Stop quoting any statistic from the BLS. Anyone who has taken a freshman level economics class knows it's been corrupted since the 70's, possibly longer.

Whether you like it or not, I think the Orange one is trying to get Americans more money. Like you say, they will have to earn it. No more disability checks, 7 million working age men will need to put down the xbox, vacate Mom's basement, and seek work. No more stimies', subsidies, or tax credits............. Now we agree on something. We don't have a labor shortage; we have a crisis of motivation.

Perhaps, since you own so much real estate around the world, you have a different perspective. You can escape with a phone call and a nice ride in your private jet. Try to remember us, and a time when you were "stuck in the states".

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Ed Uehling's avatar

What convoluted idiocy! Has Trump gotten you or any of us more money? Can’t you see the direction we’re headed?

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Wayne Daffer's avatar

Ed, put aside your TDS for a moment, and if it's all about putting money in YOUR pockets, think about what would have happened if the Trump tax cuts had expired. Now THERE's some money in your pocket!! And how is it you see where we're going any better than anyone else?

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

Woah. If only more people had TDS, maybe the U.S. wouldn’t have spent the last 3.5 years crawling out of a fiscal crater while trying to rejoin the civilized world.

Yes, the Trump tax cuts gave you a few hundred bucks. Congrats. Meanwhile, the ultra-wealthy walked away with thousands — every year. And guess who’s footing the bill?

Your grandkids. That is, if there’s still a United States by the time they’re old enough to pay taxes.

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Wayne Daffer's avatar

Hold on Lucas. First, you say we've spent 3.5 crawling OUT of a fiscal crater. Joining the civilized world? We were the laughingstock of the civilized world. Even the Italian PM had to lead old Joe back to the group for a picture when he wandered off. Nato was more than happy to have us foot the bill for security in Europe. I know, I was there in the Military. EVERYONE IS YOUR FRIEND WHEN YOU'RE HANDING OUT MONEY.

Do you honestly think that if we just paid more taxes we'd pay down the debt?

The Ultra wealthy get rich because of the system. The IRS taxes labor more, and savings less. They don't have W2 income like us, theirs are capital profits, they live off loans (collateralized with their savings) and use the income from savings to pay the interest. 15% is much better than 35% or more.

This country is absolutely the best country on the planet for entrepreneurs and innovators who are naturally attracted to such a system. Their access to capital is unmatched as well. Remember the old saying: "The problem with Capitalism is that not all benefit equally; the problem with Communism is that all share in the misery."

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

Thanks for the reply, Wayne.

𝗙𝗶𝗿𝘀𝘁, 𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻: I meant that in 3.5 years, the U.S. will be crawling out of a fiscal crater, even deeper than the one you're already in. Not that it already has. I was up way past my bedtime working on replies. Shame on me.

And yes, it will be the laughingstock of the world. Hell, it is already. Your own nightly shows roast the orange buffoon nightly.

But we all know this is part and parcel of a bigger scheme. You know — the one about giving out bread and giving the populace a circus. Keep 'em watching the right hand, the one with his hand on the silliness, the tweeting, the promises and daily lies, while the left hand pushes economic buttons planet-wide. All the while hovering his toes above the red one — attached to the nukes. Keeping the money flowing to those who are really pulling the strings - the military industrial complex - who just had their budget increased by $100 Billion.

Let’s stay on target. This isn’t about Biden, any more than it’s about who really pulled off 9/11 and sent countless soldiers and civilians to die for lies. We can’t change the past — unless that bulge in your pocket is a magic wand and not just an irresistible need to visit the loo.

𝗔𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲’𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗮𝗸𝗲-𝘂𝗽 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹: no one except the military-industrial complex wants your 800 overseas bases, support sites, drone forward operating sites, naval ports and other US faciliites acting as a global police force. No one. Even the countries smiling while taking the cash — those smiles are survival instincts. That’s the face people make when accepting their cut from a cartel whose jefe decided their town was his town. You know the guy. The one with the shiny nuke in his pocket.

As for taxes — do you really think staying within your means is a bad idea? Or are you living in a trailer skirting the law every time a guy with a badge walks by?

𝗬𝗼𝘂’𝗿𝗲 𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴: America was the best place in the world for innovators and entrepreneurs. But your own governments keep screwing it up. Changing the rules with every new sheriff in town. And once something brilliant is invented, manufacturing gets outsourced to the cheapest bidder because unions priced workers out of the market. And of course, public companies gotta make money, so with labor being the biggest component of a manufactured product, they go where it's cheap. Mostly 3rd world or developing countries. Meanwhile, the ones you left in charge found a loophole — in the money-printing rules. You know, the rules that said your work output = 1 loaf of bread? And let’s use this durable store of value — gold — to signify your work. While we trade it for some Internet services. Now, while you weren't looking, they replaced a worthwhile stand-in for your efforts (gold) with something meaningless (paper money) and printed one for you. And one for themselves. And another for their friends. Because why not?

Lobbying? Bribes? Bag drops? Sounds like Eastern Europe, right? Nope. That’s the American way. In broad daylight. On live TV. With everyone watching.

𝗣𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗹 𝗛𝗮𝗿𝗯𝗼𝗿: “𝗪𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗱𝗻’𝘁 𝘀𝗲𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗴. 𝗧𝗿𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝘂𝘀. 𝗢𝗳𝗳 𝘁𝗼 𝘄𝗮𝗿 𝘄𝗲 𝗴𝗼!” The enemy? A well-defined one — the "Nazis" and the "Japs," as propaganda of the time would have us relate to them. Great place to test out civilian incendiary bombs and — whoa — nukes.

𝗝𝗙𝗞: “𝗔 𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗴𝘂𝗻𝗺𝗮𝗻, 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝗰𝗹𝗼𝘀𝗲𝗱. 𝗧𝗿𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝘂𝘀. 𝗢𝗳𝗳 𝘁𝗼 𝘄𝗮𝗿 𝘄𝗲 𝗴𝗼!” Suddenly, the enemy is nebulous. The U.S. wasn't just fighting enemies in Vietnam anymore — it was fighting ideas. Perfect for endless war. The exit strategy? Leave behind millions in gear and infrastructure. I thought this was a "lost in translation" moment — until I went there. The War Remnants Museum in Saigon doesn’t lie.

𝟵/𝟭𝟭: “Steel-framed skyscrapers fell due to fire, entire planes (Flight 93 and 77) and their passengers vaporized, but luggage left behind at Logan airport conveniently ties 16 cave dwellers to the plot and the whole mystery of whodunit is revealed in less than 1 day. Even though no one initially admits to it. Trust us (and Popular Mechanics). 𝗢𝗳𝗳 𝘁𝗼 𝘄𝗮𝗿 𝘄𝗲 𝗴𝗼!” The enemy? A faction of Saudi Arabian cave dwellers. The result? Invade Afghanistan. Stay 20 years. Then leave — billions in gear and infrastructure abandoned like a weekend rental.

Seeing a pattern yet?

𝗜𝗿𝗮𝗾: “𝗧𝗵𝗲𝘆’𝘃𝗲 𝗴𝗼𝘁 𝗪𝗠𝗗𝘀. 𝗧𝗿𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝘂𝘀. 𝗢𝗳𝗳 𝘁𝗼 𝘄𝗮𝗿 𝘄𝗲 𝗴𝗼!” Now they're so bold, and the lying (and believing) so entrenched, they just said it outright: Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. So send in your boys and girls — who might be targeted with those same weapons upon invasion — to take them out. No WMDs? Aw shucks.

𝗔𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗹𝗹, 𝘄𝗲’𝗿𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗻𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗿𝘆. The next war. The next bailout. Half the world already despises the U.S. government. The other half? Just watching. Waiting. Some laughing. All knowing. That the empire is coming down around its knees. And who better to orchestrate the latest show than a grand orange puppet. The ones pulling his strings? They will be well insulated from the fallout. Those anywhere near the U.S. when it implodes — financially, spiritually, and physically? Not so much.

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Wayne Daffer's avatar

First, don't watch nightly shows. Consider the sources, they are entertainment at someone's expense. Ever notice how the Minnesota Muslim or the Michigan Muslim, or AOC, are never the brunt? (There's a lot of material there, you've got to admit).

"And yes, it will be the laughingstock of the world. Hell, it is already." * Me thinks Iran isn't laughing so hard.

Don't get me started on the MIC. (17 years in the U.S. Navy). Eisenhower warned us in his farewell address. We haven't listened. But know this; No one was screaming for Canada to come rescue Europe during WWI and again with WWII. Read some history. If not for the U.S., Europe would be different place. We don't want to EVER be called again for that duty. On the other hand, when you have a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail. Hoping we can find a balance and yes, I would have liked to see Elon at the Pentagon. Chainsaw and all. By my mind, I'd love to see us withdraw ALL troops and bases, and machinery. For once we'd have more troops guarding our border than so many others around the world.

You forgot to include the billions in munitions and machinery we left in Afghanistan. Millions of lives, 20 years, 4 presidents, and TRILLIONS of dollars, and we've managed to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

"As for taxes — do you really think staying within your means is a bad idea?" *Not sure where you're going with that. "A trailer skirting the law?" Huh?

Read up on the Bretton Woods agreement, or a great book, The Creature from Jekyll Island" You'll never refer to our "Fed" as a Federal Reserve. Let's just call it what it is: The International Banking Guild". There, now we can understand the motivations.

"Half the world already despises the U.S. government." * You forget the half of the U.S. who despises the U.S. government whichever regime controls the narrative. We just switch the half that hates.

Remember when Rome fell? What happened to the world once ruled by Rome. Does medieval, or DARK ages, come to mind?

Hopefully Canada fills the void after the implosion. Then we can all rail against Canada.

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

You’re not wrong about the frustration — especially from legal immigrants who played by the rules. But I don’t think the answer is throwing out everyone who got here illegally.

As Bill suggested, the best approach is this: lock down the borders today — hard stop. No more crossings, no more catch-and-release. But for those already here, we set up a system that separates the contributors from the chaos. If someone’s working in a factory, paying rent, sending their kids to school? Let’s give them a path to stay. The rest? They go back.

That’s not rewarding illegal immigration — that’s just recognizing reality. Those workers are already embedded in industries the country relies on. Without them, the system breaks in ways people rarely admit until it’s too late.

On gold: I agree. Fiat currencies are on borrowed time, and the only honest ledger is something the government can’t print at will. If we ever went back to gold, the price per ounce would be astronomical — but at least it would mean something again.

And yes — BLS = Bureau of Labor Statistics. You’re right to be skeptical. Even freshman econ students can spot the smoothing, the revisions, and the political massaging baked into every report. It’s not raw data — it’s a narrative. Skewed just enough to match whatever story the folks in charge want to tell that month.

Last point: crisis of motivation? Couldn’t agree more. The problem isn’t that we don’t have workers — it’s that too many people have opted out. Reversing that won’t be easy, but it starts with ending the handouts and reintroducing the idea that dignity comes from doing something.

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Wayne Daffer's avatar

Lucas, I believe you are very knowledgeable. I would love to converse with anyone with TDS but tired of being attacked with emotional rage. You are an insightful and reasoning individual. I, like you, have reservations with the current scheme. We are going in a very unfamiliar direction but finally, it's somewhat different than the same BS we've seen for the past 40 years. It could be a bumpy ride.

On illegal immigration. I will offer an analogy: I will break into your house; you must support me for the first year. I will then pay you rent from a job I am willing to do for $5.00 per hour. I am very hard working. I now own a room in your house, you must be tolerant and adapt to my language, my customs and my culture. You must be understanding. If not, you're xenophobic, or worse; a racist. You must move from this house. I'm just waiting for the next regime to give up and offer blanket amnesty.

Do you see an endless pattern? Have you seen the cost of locating and vetting, after catch and release? It's fiscally impossible. The pattern has played out before. Are you old enough to remember the previous amnesty program for illegals? These programs only beget the next.

You and I agree on the rest. The reversal of our motivational crisis will entail a LOT of tough love. Too many are addicted to welfare in its many forms. It saps the soul.

About gold............Rest assured, we will not be allowed to hold gold or enjoy the gains. It happened before, so don't bother buying gold hoping to get rich. Of course, the last time, the uber wealthy loaded their gold on ships and sent it to Switzerland. Hmmm. I wonder if Bill has a house in Switzerland.

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Lucas Kandia's avatar

Wayne, you sound like a level-headed, worried, and somewhat skeptical individual yourself. I operate on a "there's got to be a better way of doing this" principle myself. When I see wastage and stupidity, I am the first one to call it out. When I see blatant lying, I challenge it.

Your analogy, while interesting, is a little off. First of all, around half of the illegal immigrants in the U.S. got permission to come using a visa. They simply didn't leave once it expired. Furthermore, they don't get "free rides" any more than any other U.S. citizen. They work, often for less than minimum wage, and pay sales taxes and rents that barely give them extra cash. No tax refunds either. And they can't claim ownership of property. Unless I'm way out to lunch here.

We're not talking amnesty. We're talking about keeping the working ones. And shipping off the others. The ones that either swam across the river, or stayed too long. First-time illegal border crossers are misdemeanors - 6 months in jail or \$250 fine. First-time visa overstays? Civil violation. Not even criminal. Though it ties up the immigration courts with extra work, for sure. 

Now as for gold — yes, it was outlawed once, by FDR in 1933, and it stayed that way for 41 years (until 1974). Unless the same puppet masters now control every government on Earth, we’re probably okay. Only three other countries ever pulled similar stunts: Australia, South Africa, and India. In all cases, it backfired or fueled black markets. So yeah — learn your local wilderness and keep a shovel handy. Crypto might’ve been a workaround, but that door’s slamming shut too.

Welfare? It’s what separates humanity from the animals. For most working people without a support system, we’re one accident or diagnosis away from living the dream to begging at a corner. When shit happens, I’m personally glad there’s a safety net in my corner of the world (Canada).

Does it need work? Hell, yeah. But do we scrap the whole system because some abuse it? No — we fix the leaks. We find the abusers and get them back to work. We don’t punish the weak, the elderly, or the disabled.

So yeah, I hear you. But your anger’s pointed in the wrong direction. The guy handing you a burrito at Taco Bell isn’t the problem. It’s the system that exploits both of you — him with no rights, you with no options. I'd work on that instead.

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Wayne Daffer's avatar

"half of the illegal immigrants in the U.S. got permission to come using a visa. They simply didn't leave" *So a guest worker program might be problematic as well. Modify my analogy; you invite a stranger into your home and they decide to stay. Same result.

"they work, often for less than minimum wage, and pay sales taxes and rents that barely give them extra cash. No tax refunds either". * I noticed you didn't include federal income taxes, or SSN, or Medicare taxes. Tax refunds? Yep, way out to lunch.

Amnesty, by any other name, ..............................And sorting out the criminals from the slightly criminal, to the kinda bad but might we OK in a few years. Fiscally insane.! I guarantee, if I cross the border into Canada without permission, they wouldn't treat me like an illegal crossing into the U.S. How 'bout some of that free healthcare? All of our illegals know which hospitals to visit for medical care. Yes, free health care. I know an Emergency room Doc here, he has seen enough, and can tell you why our health care is so expensive. (For those who pay or have insurance).

Gold? In 41 years, I'd easily forget where it was buried. With any luck, my kids would find it while burying me.

The Orange one is mostly trying to save Medicaid. It was being doled out to illegals and was not being used for OUR citizens. It is NOT being scrapped as the democrats suggest. Do some research.

The guy handing me a burrito is doing so because of the laws of nature. Adam Smith defined most of them. We are not all born equal for sure, but so many have adapted and overcome inequities. and on the flip side wasted so many blessings, that it's hard to identify the "spark' that defines the difference. There IS one, get used to it.

No rights to.........? I definitely have options. I can refuse to allow the guy to be exploited. I can boycott his establishment, or I can tell the owner that his taco will now cost everyone here double, unless he stops exploiting his workers. Kinda what Trump is trying to do, don't you think. Albeit in a backwards kinda way.

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Meesed's avatar

We have three camps in these comments. The ones who didn't vote for Trump and hate him no matter what, the ones who did vote for him and are dissatisfied with what he's done the first 6 months, and the ones who voted for him and are okay with his performance so far. Those of you in the 2nd camp need to think about what this country would look like if Kamala Harris was president. Let that thought sink in. I don't know about you but for me the thought of it is nightmarish.

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David's avatar

There is a fourth camp. Those who voted for him and love him no matter what.

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Randall Craig's avatar

Bill seems in many ways to be one of the "elitest" in which he talks about. Especially where politics is concerned.

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Egypt Solomon's avatar

What? Did I read that right!?!

A 35% tariff on Canada!?! Canada!?! The friendliest country on Earth! They apologize when you bump into them, and we’re treating them like they just torched the White House again. We are literally trying to pick a fight with a nation whose national mascot is maple syrup. That’s not economic strategy, folks, that’s a cry for help. That’s late-stage empire behavior. That’s the financial version of taking your pants off and scream-crying in the Walmart parking lot.

The Leading Economic Index is plunging faster than a virgin at a Satanic sacrifice. Six straight months of decline. You know what that means? It means even the metrics are trying to escape. They’re bailing out of the spreadsheet like rats from a burning spreadsheet-factory. Workforce participation is fading like an influencer’s career after a TikTok apology, and long-term unemployment is rising like a crypto scam in a nursing home, fast, confusing, and somehow still legal. And in the background, gold’s screaming for help like it’s trapped in a marriage with fiat currency.

But hey, not to worry! Nothing a good ol’ “Reality TV Fireside Chat” can’t fix. All President Trump’s gotta do is roll out the red carpet at the White House, invite a few billionaires with sociopathic grins, toss in a couple confused world leaders with translation earbuds hanging out of their noses, and pack the press room tighter than a Florida recount. Turn on the cameras, wham! It’s prime-time delusion hour, baby. They’ll sit around shooting the sh*t about how stupid the Democrats are, especially Gavin Newscum , who looks like the villain in every Netflix documentary you regret watching after midnight. Then Trump drops a couple zingers, everybody fake-laughs like it’s a hostage sketch on SNL, and BAM, the Dow ticks up two points because someone tweeted a rumor that Zimbabwe’s investing $1 trillion in Kellogg stock. Yes. Freaking cereal. Because nothing says “economic confidence” like foreign dictators going all-in on Frosted Flakes.

And just like that crisis averted. The nation exhales, the markets wobble less, and we all go back to pretending this isn’t the economic equivalent of getting lap band surgery on the Titanic. Just another day at the office. Hahahaha! Holy hell, we are so f*cked!

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Paul Murray's avatar

"Stripping the claptrap" would also mean putting Americans back to work. No more welfare, or what the CommieDems called "relief" in the Depression. Relief? Relief for whom? Nice of the government to opt the working and productive in, wasn't it? But wait! Just to make sure somebody doesn't get the bright idea of whole swaths of people getting back to work, let's "offshore" our nasty, polluting, and mean manufacturing base, as well as our entire textile and shoe industries, so these people have nothing to which to return. And let's make our cars to be such over-engineered, technological, "clean" wonders that nobody can afford one, except the mega-wealthy. Great idea. Best always. PM

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FVM's avatar

The USA has been practicing human sacrifice on an industrial scale for many decades (killing the unwanted offspring before birth rather than sacrificing them to Mammon after birth), and otherwise discouraging family formation and child bearing to the point where live birth rates have dropped below replacement level. Thus a welcome to migrants to make up the shortfall makes sense in the abstract, The incentives and subsidies to achieve this make a big difference, however, and the recent defacto "open borders" policy combined with massive support for human trafficking through state-funded NGO's, and deconstruction of the institutions that provided avenues for newcomers to become assimilated to local customs and expectations aggravates the challenge of avoiding an imminent fiscal singularity.

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Kirk Monnie's avatar

Prime example of when a Libertarian can easily become a Leftist.....using the generic term "Immigrants". When you know there is a huge difference and choose to talk in those terms, you BETTER know you're being disingenuous!!! Also, when Congress can't even pass a 9 Billion cut overwhelmingly, I hope even you, Bill, can see what Trump is really up against.

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Ed Uehling's avatar

Which one of his three suggestions is leftist?

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Invector's avatar

#1

Every last one of them are criminals, and every last one of them should be removed.

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Kirk Monnie's avatar

I already commented on #1, 2 and 3 are what everyone wants!!! Presidents can't do it unilaterally, so my point is when 9 billion out of 7 trillion is a problem to cut, then wishful thinking is unhelpful! Could even be called Leftist thinking. People for years have asked Bill what he WOULD do and I guess I'll what would he do that's possible?

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Frank Westmoreland's avatar

Mr. Monnie: You nailed it. Over the last few years, Bill, probably because of the aging process, doesn't provide much in the way of details about his very general proposals; e.g., balance the budget, more immigration, more "free" trade, etc. And he certainly won't discuss the ramifications of his proposals.

He used to. I remember in 2017, when Bill was blasting the newly-enshrined Pres. Trump about not wanting to cut the budget, he admitted that if he were president, then tried to quickly make the budget cuts he desired, the Congress in place at that time would laugh at him, and a great number of Americans would be storming DC.

I think the federal govt. has to make reforms gradually over a lengthy period of time. For example, if you slash the federal budget, which supplies at least 20M jobs, millions of jobs will disappear and a depression will occur, especially in the debt-fueled reality the U.S. faces. Then an electoral backlash will occur and the leftist Dems will take over again. They will then reverse all the budget cuts, add even more spending and debt, bust open the border, pass a mass amnesty, and push authoritarian lawfare against their political opponents like never before.

In my opinion, the Bill of 2025 is much different than the super-realistic Bill of 2017.

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Mackinac's avatar

Austerity has been tried in Greece for example. World leaders shut that down like water flowing from a hole in the dam. They laughed at any attempt to be austere. It would demonstrate the correct direction to the world but all these world leaders, who know pretty well what they can get away with, don't have the slightest inclination to attempt it. I'd try it if I was in Trump's position but you know Massie is only one guy out 400 plus. Doesn't seem like very good odds. It seems the populous might actually prefer a few more good years, maybe a decade or two before trying to rise out of the ashes.

Reading the book "Inflated" by Whalen he claims Teddy Roosevelt understood that society wanted inflation in similar debt circumstances. A group such as this with savings to invest undoubtedly wants money/ savings to retain it's value but to young families or youngsters in general they rather extend the status quo than face soup lines. Americans are a pretty creative bunch. I guess I too would see if Americans can come up with something.

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Kirk Monnie's avatar

As a 32 year auto tech, I don't always have the writing skills or vocabulary to expand on my thoughts. But my gut and thought process are generally on point!!! I really appreciate you, Frank for expanding on it for me. In recent years Bill seems to not hate ALL Dems and most Reps as much as he should. It's our Gubmint as a whole and not just 1 dude! Thanks again, Kirk

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kenneth dame's avatar

Your 3 points are truly a good start, Bill. However, we know that is not going to happen. Therefore, our only choice is gold, either in physical gold, gold miners or gold royalty companies, as I see it. As Brics and associated countries continue to purchase gold to participate in a gold back world trading system, the writing is on the wall. At some point the US will have to start buying a very large amount of gold or devalue the dollar in value to gold. Either way gold is going to surge dramatically in value to our dollar. I sure hope I'm wrong but if not, I've got a couple of precious metals miners and gold royalty company stocks. We may not have the previlege of seeing the writing on the wall (as in the Bible) but with so many countries stockpiling gold, we would be very foolish to not recognize why.

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Abe Porter's avatar

Bill: in the beginning of your article I thought of how full of B.S. you are. BUT THEN, you come up with a sensible accounting of what our federal government should do. WOW, it pretty much sounds like what myself and many of your readers have been screaming for months. Maybe we should get paid for our articles and you should be the subscriber. AP

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working stiff's avatar

Ah finally some solutions, bravo! I agree, none of this will happen (probably) in our life time. You DEMS will bring this country to its knees, and then kick it over, you know, like cow tipping!

What the mind of one man can conceive, the mind of another will decive.

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Dennis T.'s avatar

Your 3 numbered plan cannot without massive deportation of illegal migrants. Liberals ask; Who's going to mow our lawns and build our homes? Illegal migrants created the skilled labor problem by chasing American tradesmen out of almost all phases of construction. The old adage still applies; Saving money, do it right the first time. 20 years ago 90% of my companies work was new construction. Today 90% of my companies work is attempting to fix HVAC in newly constructed homes. So bad is most of the work being done in new construction sometimes I can only offer to make the system "less bad". Don't get me wrong, I'm ok if this is what the consumer wants. I know the builders are killing it, cheap labor, no employees, no worry if someone is killed or injured. Send them to the emergency room where they give a fake name and address. Yes, folks migrants are payroll ghosts, the proliferation of check cashing businesses exist to cash large checks given builders to pay migrants green cash off the books.

With the flow of cheap off the books labor gone, welfare eliminated, along with fiscal sanity in the healthcare scam industry. The army of vagrants, basement dwellers, perpetually unemployed, government services Democratic voter baby machines and voter storage housing projects gone, there will be no labor shortage, or jobs Americans cannot be found to do.

This all sounds like the plan God created and for good reason. Since all of the above is a pipe dream, I might as well spill the beans concerning YHWH other instructions.

God's system ends generational wealth, every 50 years all debts were forgiven, all slaves freed, unless they chose to remain as slaves. The word slaves carries a negative connotation that did not exist in Torah observance. A person without property or a trade could offer their service to another family, where labor was traded for a place in the family. There was no police force or prisons, crimes would be settled by judges who sought the solution from Torah. Steal a goat, you return 4 goats, unintentional murder was settled by paying damages, or possibly exile. Intentional murder with 2 witnesses testifying garnered the death penalty. False witness in such a case was the death penalty. Harsh by today's terms but knowing before hand the wages of crime is our system better? Prison begets a worse criminal, a slap on the wrist for a violent crime usually leads to a future murder.

The Fed and our fiat money system is according to our own constitution a crime. Congress was given the sole responsibly to coin and regulate money.

I'd add, no lawyer should be allowed in any public office where laws are created or adjudicated.

All judges should be appointed, elections of judges or anyone in the judicial system should be banned. Congress should have no term limits but be hung by the neck until dead if they act against the Constitution, same for judges, bribery should be a death penalty offense.

When Elon occupies Mars we're going to start over.

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Dean McLeod's avatar

Bill Bonner always writes to provoke. The variety of comments is considerable. Opinion strongly differs. Humility appeals because of the ideas presented below

"Truth is elusive. Difficult to discover. Infinitely nuanced. Hard to hold onto. Each tiny bit of truth comes at a high price: A love lost. A marriage ruined. A business bankrupt. Money wasted. And a sorry soul burning on some ash pit in Hell.

Nor does truth make you feel good. Like a magnifying mirror, it shows blemishes. You squirm in your seat when you see it. Often, you want to turn off the lights.

Not so with myth. It comes right over to you, fawns over you, airbrushes your photo, and Botoxes your face. It flatters you with weak light and strong angles.

It pretends you are the noble master and it is merely the humble slave… willing to do your bidding."

(from my favorite Libertarian)

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