The welfare state model no longer works; the center — consensual democracy — wobbles towards the extremes. What to do? Beat our plowshares into swords?
"What to do?" Good question if, at some point, details are to be entertained. However, the primary decision of "Fight or Flight" remains. I'm a fighter by nature and therefore will give my support now to much vilified "man in the Ring" to whom this poisoned chalice "debt cup" has been passed.
I'll also mourn the memory of the frontline fighter, Charlie Kirk and will root for those who will step up to fill the void that has been left. Will pray that non-violence remains as our guiding force.
But we have come now to a place where we need to address the root of this violence. Violence that sees very young school children shot through a stained glass window as they sat in church. Violence that seeks to silence their opposition with bullets.
There's that word again - "opposition". Not to be confused with "oppressor". But who will teach the difference rather than dedicate themselves to erasing boundaries in their lust for power?
Ed, I choose to find a secondary country away from the declining US society perhaps not just for my welfare but for the welfare of my kids and grandchildren. I'm saddened that the US is in decline but there isn't anything much I can do about it. Our leaders who I voted for are continuing the spending pattern and it doesn't seem like it's going to change. My vote for Trump was a vote fir a Milei try of leader and its not what we got. I applaud your decision to fight vs flight and wish you all the best but I'm tired of fighting what seems to be a losing battle. I'm cutting my losses and going to find greener pastures elseware maybe.
Well Mark, at 72 years of age, my "fights" will be using words alone. The good news is that I see the real possibility that the destructive nature of what Progressive power brokers have put on offer has been exposed.
Unfortunately, it may take the final steps of an election of a Marxist in NYC or a barren job market that greets those Antifa malcontents to finally drive the point home. These things tend to run in cycles, and I sense that the end is very close at hand.
The "theatre kids" to whom "all the world is a stage" finally being brought up, convicted and punished on the charge of "shouting fire in a crowded theatre".
Punished at the election polls and forced into a surrender that only the realization that they have boxed themselves in a rhetorical corner and that no effort at moral equivocation will provide them any relief.
...although I agree there are cycles, there are also "eras".
I believe the era of "schooling" is quietly being replaced by computer ideology.
We are living in the transition stage, our old societal values replaced by a digitally processed civilization.
Used for thousands of years as primary transportation, the horse was replaced by the automobile in a couple of decades, during which traffic was chaotic.
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Ai and its ancillary invasive nature will eliminate the need to remember.
Humans will seek stimulation and instantaneousness, with little need to recant previous lessons, as the computer will handle staple necessities.
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To us older folks, the "history" taught to us in K thru 12 is already history.
Are we dumber for it, younger folks tend to think so...
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Even today many tasks are dependent upon robotic Ai computer for alert, engagement and completion.
Did you remember to pay your utility bill, or did your computer remind you?
Did you know your car needs a tune-up, or did it tell you?
Did you know it's supposed to rain Thursday or did a weather program tell you?
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How did people know what time it was prior to the founding of time.
Likely they did not have a need to... or struggled with it.
But since the advent of time, there has been the absolute necessity for a clock.
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The advent of computerization can make necessary that which was not, and visa- versa.
IMO machine has reached the threshold of mankind and now is banging on the door to get in...
A new era is in the offing... the only thing we do know are things we thought we knew are about to change.
Change , maybe yes , maybe no . My hope is sort of I do not want to see this , but then I do not have any say on the matter at hand . I remember many a commenter on these page saying "enjoy" what You have with whom You have . That I shall try to do with all My wits.
Please take more care with your words. The victims in the church were not expressing an "opposition" to anything and the shooter was not trying to "silence" anything...
I agree that those children were not “expressing opposition”. However, to the shooter, their guilt, simply as Catholics, was in the church’s perceived opposition to his alternative life style. The same as what had motivated Kirk’s assassin. As to my being told to “be more careful with my words” - obviously your own words are ample testimony that you remain oblivious to the fact that it is your own words that require more policing.
Where is the evidence that the US "installed" this guy?
I sincerely doubt that any party, outside or in, could have seen through the fog of the post-Assad Syrian internecine "fuster-cluck", with enough clarity, to even arrange to get cable TV installed.
Agree. But I have to assume that Trumps style in dealing with primitives is to attempt to forge an agreement to be lived with and not one that grants approval.
"There's not a dime's difference between the two."
"It doesn't matter who you vote for (or what you/they believe?) because they're all the same."
The last several years and days have put LIE to that particular leftist smokescreen - yet Bill persists in spite of the evidence of my eyes and ears.
The Biden Horde and their whores in the "media" have been telling us that it's Whitey Righty, and ONLY him, that is and has been the "existential threat" to our "democracy", even though we live in a Representative Republic. Funny - they have screeched this from the rooftops without offering a 𝗦𝗜𝗡𝗚𝗟𝗘 instance of "White Supremacist", "Right Wing" or "Fundamental Christian" violence. All the while we watched leftists and their domestic enemy, bought-and-paid-for street scum riot, burn down buildings, loot and steal, destroy infrastructure, trash vehicles and even, yes, injure and murder people in the street. Yet Trump and the rest of the America Lovers are the problem.
I don't know how we get out of this peacefully - 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙚𝙛𝙩 𝙬𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙬 𝙞𝙩. Obviously Bill and the "media" are going to continue lying and gaslighting about whom are the violent ones until they no longer have breath.
Well, the bear has been poked, the fuse has been lit - sadly, the cowardly, effeminate, mentally-ill left thinks they know what actual violence, mayhem and war look like. They don't because it is 𝗺𝘂𝗰𝗵 more personal than a video game. It breaks my heart for America that they are fixing to be shown how wrong they are, but from their leadership down to their homeless psychopath, they have zero interest in coexisting. When your tv starts showing and telling you how terrible the "right" is because they begin taking out the trash, just remember who threw the first, second, third and fiftieth punches when all we wanted was to be left alone......
Thank you Starboard for a few more truths! Truths that the demented left can distort and distract with, but can’t extinguish. It’s crazy how the insane talking heads can come out of their holes daily, and lie about “white supremacy” while showing dozens of instances of black crime on the same show. The hypocrisy and ignorance is astounding and in everyone’s faces daily, yet the left chooses to ignore the truth and see only what they are told to….ignorance at its worst🤔
The statement "the welfare state model no longer works" is misleading, in that it implies that the welfare-state model at some point enjoyed a period of prior legitimacy. The welfare-state model exists for one purpose and one purpose only: vote-buying. For 60+ years, it did its job spectacularly well for those implementing the welfare-state model. For those opposed? Not so much...Best always. PM
Exactly Paul! Another “democrat” scam to create the most ignorant and morally bankrupt voting block in world history. It’s the Frankenstein monster that didn’t want to be created, but now lives in violent turmoil that can’t be controlled. It lives on the lies and falsehoods that the left continues to feed it, and thrives on the ignorance that supports it…the welfare state of ignorance and corruption…
Please Bill, I know you haven’t noticed America being at war with itself for these past ten years due to the leftist in our midst. It’s very difficult for you to understand, living overseas and getting the majority of your “news” from CNN, as it’s mostly the only American news network in most of Europe. That is now changing. Even the most ignorant are starting to wake up, and they are not ready to accept the reality of the left/globalist/communist agenda. Socialism and communism do not favor humans, and those who fight for them prove time and time again that they are not human. Not only in their nature and thoughts, but in their actions. The war started with the Obamanation, and hopefully will end in these next few years. It’s not going to be pretty, but it needs to happen or all good will be lost forever. God bless America, and those who fight for her🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Ok, Bill, we all hate violence and war--well, most of us anyway--but your comments on the Middle East were not well thought out. First of all, saying that Biden gave Bibi some sort of "green light" is laughable. Bibi doesn't seek permission from anyone for anything. And he shouldn't. Reasonable people may differ on Israel's right to exist at all, but if you accept that then you have to acknowledge that it's been in an existential battle for over 75 years. It is a small nation, surrounded by enemies insanely dedicated to wiping it off the map. It's fought several major wars against superior forces, and its people have been subject to countless terrorist attacks and rocket assaults that come almost daily. What's happening in Gaza is horrible, but it's ground zero in a war, and the object of a war is not to see how little damage you can do and how few civilians you can kill. It's to win. The Israelis are not committing "war crimes," which is a redundancy. War is the crime. Gaza is no different from Dresden or Hiroshima. You do what you have to do to win, that's the ugly truth. And here's another ugly truth: the carnage would stop if Hamas surrendered; its leadership won't do that and they don't care how many of their innocent civilians die in Allah's name. That they use people as human shields should be utterly repugnant to everyone. Now, as to Qatar. I'd suggest reading Douglas Murray for some perspective. The reason for the Israeli hit is that several top Hamas "leaders" live in luxury there, off of the hundreds of millions in foreign aid that they siphoned into their own pockets. They are not negotiators, they are conscienceless, cowardly thieves who watch from safety as those they supposedly fight for are slaughtered. Qatar shelters them, and good for Israel for going after them....
So Israel should go after Nuttyyahoo too. He funded Hamas in order to keep the Palestinians divided. And you don't believe that Mossad wasn't aware beforehand of the 10/7 attack. They are one of the most advanced intelligence organizations in the world. 10/7 served as their "Pearl Harbor" to allow them to expand their Greater Israel project.
Ok Cartero - same old same old. Granting everything you say ( which I for one don’t), is your twisted Moral Equivalence supposed to lead somewhere beside Netanyahu Bad? You got a point yet??
Yes. The point is Israel is not our ally. Compare the list of countries designated for regime change in Nutty's 1995 book and those on the list given to General Wesley Clark after 9/11. Or research the Israel attack on the USS Liberty. Or ask yourself why the Dancing Israelis were seen celebrating the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers. Or the fact that the Israel debt/GDP ratio is half of ours but we still borrow billions to send to them. Maybe we should have listened to George Washington's warning about foreign entanglements.
Not to beat a dead horse but it also disgusts me that Nuttyyahoo said that America is easy to move and that we are the Golden Calf and they will suck us dry. Plus, the fact that AIPAC - a lobbying group that JFK wanted registered as foreign agents - controls our Congress. If I were King of the Forest I would outlaw all lobbying groups.
I've seen you make this claim a number of times here, and I'm wondering if you can provide an original source? Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of anything (I don't have a dog in the fight) it's just that I've looked into it and can't come up with anything. There was supposedly a video, which I can't find, and some audio, which I can't find either. I've seen claims of the original quote here or there, but every link provided ended up as a 404. I did find several fact checking sites that claim the quote is bogus, but I don't have all that much trust in most fact-checking sites as they've been pretty squirrely in the past.
If you can provide some proof, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Yes — there is genuine evidence of a video where Netanyahu says something like “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in our way.” This is from ChatGPT.
It's difficult to find evidence in the US media. Remember these are the same guys who backed Bush's Iraq WMD story and refused to give any space to scientists and doctors who believed the Warped Speed experimental mRNA vaccines were unsafe and ineffective.
Using a word like 'genocide' is inaccurate. If the Israelis were truly genocidal like, say, the Nazis, they would also be systematically eliminating the 20% of their citizens who are Palestinian. They aren't. What they're trying to do is win a war. Which means whatever it takes. Which can mean behavior that is revolting to us. However, it's Hamas (Hezbollah, Iran) whose clearly avowed aim is to happily commit genocide against the Jews (gleefully, as on Oct. 7)....
ER, not to mention the FOOD and other aid that Israel continues to deliver to the area, only to have it stolen by the hamas "fighters" and re-sold back to their fellow gazans at inflated prices......
“Abroad...US/Israel desperadoes have opened two new ‘theatres of war.’ The US bombed Iran. And the Israelis bombed Qatar, murdering the negotiators who had been invited to work out a settlement to the Gaza war”
Qatar negotiators!
Qatar is country of some +300,000 citizens who don’t have to work due to enormous gas reserves but are well know as a cesspit of deception, active support of any brand of terrorism, the world has experienced in 20 years.
There is no respect for Qatar and it’s corrupt leadership and Emir family whatsoever by other Middle East Islamic countries, who despise them as the worst country for support of everything extremist and terror financed in the region.
If you need any hard factual evidence of the Qatar sinister history as catalyst of horror, go for a detailed chapter and verse on….
When we look back in history it seems that every time the country (or any country) gets into a major debt problem, the answer is to go to war to juice up the economy. Print more fiat currency fund the war effort and take peoples attention off the real problem.
Also keep the serfs fighting among themselves so the elite can continue to plunder what's left of the USA. How can either of these political parties claim any moral high ground? In fact, this century the Repugs are leading the Dims in the race to see who can run up a bigger national debt.
Bill is definitely right about phoney money. Washington and his buddies are rolling in their graves in horror as we bequeath a greater and greated debt to future generations.
If that was so - or is to be made so - Let's not fail to note that Trump is at least attempting to end wars here and the world over.
Bill, taking out a few small craft drug runners is not war, it's pushback in the pre-existing drug war. Assaulting religion on the other hand, is an attempt to start a war on a worldwide scale.
None of us are Jesus reincarnated. More akin to Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane. One whose first reaction will be to cut the ear off the Roman soldier in self-defense.
We often ruminate about the lessons of the turbulent 1960's. The last time "the theatre kids" took the stage with their uber-radicalism show. Rightly or wrongly, that all ended very abruptly at Kent State when the power of the state finally pushed back in dramatic fashion. Such is the pattern; as the Hemingway character spoke about bankruptcy; a slow escalation as long as there is no attempt to rein things in and then - BAMM.
Trump now quoted as considering the designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization. We all know what options are opened up then, don't we?
Hey Schumer! How's that "reaping the whirlwind" threats to the Supreme Court and mob incitement, going? Pelosi? Schiff? Warren? AOC?
Thanks for nothing you finger stabbing, posing, lying bastards.
I have been told by dimocrat "leadership" and no less than the esteemed Bill Bonner that PANTIFA (Always In A Bunch) is nothing more than a right wing-constructed Figment of Imagination.....
Yeah, I heard that too. An attempt to provide a fig leaf talking point to their useful idiots. They needn’t bother. No one of any intellectual depth takes anything they say as having any value at all.
Also keep the serfs fighting among themselves so the elite can continue to plunder what's left of the USA. How can either of these political parties filled with sociopaths claim any moral high ground? In fact, this century the Repugs are leading the Dims in the race to see who can run up a bigger national debt.
Bill is definitely right about phoney money. Washington and his buddies are rolling in their graves in horror as we bequeath a greater and greated debt to future generations.
I believe the following observation because I asked at least four people over 50 who definitely lean left, on the day Charlie Kirk was assassinated if they knew who he was. 4 out of 4 had no clue. Imagine what they watch. Followed up a few days later and asked if they had more understanding of who he was and what he stood for. Comments , racist, nazi, fascist , hate speech. I wonder where they got the information? Truly amazing and 😞
More amazing was Illinois Governor Spritzer (or whatever) attempting to connect Trump's speech to Charle Kirk's murder. Talk about clueless... Who elects these people?
We know who votes for these thugs. Other thugs. Just as dysfunction breeds dysfunction. Stupidity and ignorance breeds the same. Unfortunately, when you have more of the above over intelligent, God and country loving people, you have the democrat party.
I can understand the kids mouthing this stuff. They don’t know much about life. But when I listen to fully grown adults - people in seats of power - seeking to equivocate and rationalize some of the most heinous and divisive action, using incendiary language, lies and subterfuge to score points, it’s just so, so depressing. More so when known liars such as Adam Schiff are even allowed to freely breathe the air in DC rather than a prison cell.
CNN and MSNBC. Both need to be reorganized and the management in prison. Communist was once justifiably prosecuted as an enemy of democracy and freedom. Now it’s not only glorified, but shoved down the throats of our children. America needs to get back to our constitutional principles and end this madness once and for all. If the left wins this War, they will treat the right with extreme prejudice and contempt, just as we’ve witnessed over the years. It’s what happens when the morally bankrupt and the mentally insane take control. As we see in Every democrat controlled city…
Trump needs to use power of the purse, the bully pulpit and any available legislation to threaten FCC licensing, end Federal subsidy of rogue education and file libel lawsuits against media intent on ginning up mobs, wherever and whenever possible.
The money - some from outside agitators- is the source of their power and power over our nations people is the true objective.
These problems started with JFK allowing government unions to form and become a domestic threat, and that now needs to be looked at with fresh eyes too.
O'hammed's repeal of the Smith-Mundt Act also took us a LONG way into the dark by allowing the domestic "media" to straight-up LIE to the American people in their productions. That used to be illegal.....
Please forgive Bill Bonner since he lives in a country surrounded by Surrender Monkeys. Still, he reminds us that we are in a conundrum where there is no way out and we must be reminded that we're in a state of self preservation. It very well may be said that the system has to be finally broken before everyone understands that it is not working well.
Who let it get to that point? Just asking. As to why, there is one of two possibilities (again, a binary choice): those who let it get that way either did not understand to what that choice would lead or they wanted it that way. Best always. PM
Several points. First of all the Gaza war was started by Hamas attacking violently civilians during a peaceful concert. Biden had nothing to do with it. I want to say a few things about 9/11. There is a docuseries which shows some very unpleasant statements. 1. The CIA had something to do with the attack on the World Trade Center to have an excuse to go to war against Afghanistan and Iraq. 2. The CIA followed most of the terrorists coming to California and into schools learning to fly large planes. 3. Also the buildings fell perfectly down similar to buildings being demolished for future buildings. 4. The plane that attacked the pentagon hit the area where documents were kept where much of the money spent was documented. More than 3 trillion dollars became unaccounted for. Of course, none of this can be proven just food for thought. I know this has little to do with BB.
You are drawing a long string to that bow, Abe. A number. I do believe that there were several over sites on the hijackers but that is, some conspiracy theory and a number of them.
It should always be a reminder to the treachery of enemies and that the innocence of free people is exploited.
Just like the ‘Bali Bombings’ that killed 50 of our young people- a smaller but significant act of terrorism on Australian citizens by a similar cohort.
Abe, if you have any doubts about the official 9/11 story just go watch the collapse of WTC building 7. NIST says it was from fires but a report from the University of Alaska Fairbanks proved this to be wrong. Plus,from ChatGPT - So far, no steel-framed skyscraper (high-rise) anywhere in the world has ever completely collapsed due to fire alone, except for the three buildings at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 (WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7).
Have there ever been studies conducted on hi-rise fires fed by an accelerant, such as full tanks of aviator fuel, that would increase the temperature of the fires exponentially?
Yes, there have. And the results showed that what we saw happen to the buildings on 9-11 could not possibly have occurred due SOLELY to burning jet fuel.....
Our acceptance of lunatics into open society, without treatment or incarceration, and our tacit approval of people like Soros as a viable alternative to a Christian society is to blame. We have been far too accepting of evil in society and have allowed it to flourish. I agree with Bonner when he says "when honest money goes, everything goes with it". "Everything" has almost gone.
Conservative Republicans nor the liberal Democrats exist anymore. No one wants to fix our bulging debt crisis, perhaps there is a total lack of ideas from both sides. Do billionaires really care about homelessness or housing affordability? Probably not. What about our runaway medical cost? Definitely not. Any issue and the answer is likely indifference. At some point WE THE PEOPLE will conclude everything has been a big fat lie.
Exactly Steve. Thanks for the reminder! Also , how can a country be divided? . From within. This is happening all over the world , Sad to say . One has to remember that there is an adversary that You and I can not , but only see what He is doing .
The sad part is we do know who is responsible for the division and destruction of the West, the problem is the millions behind the puppet masters who control the useful idiots. I would say take off the head of the snake, but it’s going to be at the cost of many millions. It’s going to come down to this war eventually, so better now while we have a government willing to support the good…
"What to do?" Good question if, at some point, details are to be entertained. However, the primary decision of "Fight or Flight" remains. I'm a fighter by nature and therefore will give my support now to much vilified "man in the Ring" to whom this poisoned chalice "debt cup" has been passed.
I'll also mourn the memory of the frontline fighter, Charlie Kirk and will root for those who will step up to fill the void that has been left. Will pray that non-violence remains as our guiding force.
But we have come now to a place where we need to address the root of this violence. Violence that sees very young school children shot through a stained glass window as they sat in church. Violence that seeks to silence their opposition with bullets.
There's that word again - "opposition". Not to be confused with "oppressor". But who will teach the difference rather than dedicate themselves to erasing boundaries in their lust for power?
Isn't that the better question?
Ed, I choose to find a secondary country away from the declining US society perhaps not just for my welfare but for the welfare of my kids and grandchildren. I'm saddened that the US is in decline but there isn't anything much I can do about it. Our leaders who I voted for are continuing the spending pattern and it doesn't seem like it's going to change. My vote for Trump was a vote fir a Milei try of leader and its not what we got. I applaud your decision to fight vs flight and wish you all the best but I'm tired of fighting what seems to be a losing battle. I'm cutting my losses and going to find greener pastures elseware maybe.
Well Mark, at 72 years of age, my "fights" will be using words alone. The good news is that I see the real possibility that the destructive nature of what Progressive power brokers have put on offer has been exposed.
Unfortunately, it may take the final steps of an election of a Marxist in NYC or a barren job market that greets those Antifa malcontents to finally drive the point home. These things tend to run in cycles, and I sense that the end is very close at hand.
The "theatre kids" to whom "all the world is a stage" finally being brought up, convicted and punished on the charge of "shouting fire in a crowded theatre".
Punished at the election polls and forced into a surrender that only the realization that they have boxed themselves in a rhetorical corner and that no effort at moral equivocation will provide them any relief.
"𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘤𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘢 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 "
If only. Not gonna happen. They don't understand what they have started and by the time they do it will likely be too late......
I think it’s too late already my friend. The old Democrat party is the new zombie party as we speak.
And those zombies already ate their own brains, and now are after ours
...although I agree there are cycles, there are also "eras".
I believe the era of "schooling" is quietly being replaced by computer ideology.
We are living in the transition stage, our old societal values replaced by a digitally processed civilization.
Used for thousands of years as primary transportation, the horse was replaced by the automobile in a couple of decades, during which traffic was chaotic.
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Ai and its ancillary invasive nature will eliminate the need to remember.
Humans will seek stimulation and instantaneousness, with little need to recant previous lessons, as the computer will handle staple necessities.
-
To us older folks, the "history" taught to us in K thru 12 is already history.
Are we dumber for it, younger folks tend to think so...
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Even today many tasks are dependent upon robotic Ai computer for alert, engagement and completion.
Did you remember to pay your utility bill, or did your computer remind you?
Did you know your car needs a tune-up, or did it tell you?
Did you know it's supposed to rain Thursday or did a weather program tell you?
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How did people know what time it was prior to the founding of time.
Likely they did not have a need to... or struggled with it.
But since the advent of time, there has been the absolute necessity for a clock.
-
The advent of computerization can make necessary that which was not, and visa- versa.
IMO machine has reached the threshold of mankind and now is banging on the door to get in...
A new era is in the offing... the only thing we do know are things we thought we knew are about to change.
Change , maybe yes , maybe no . My hope is sort of I do not want to see this , but then I do not have any say on the matter at hand . I remember many a commenter on these page saying "enjoy" what You have with whom You have . That I shall try to do with all My wits.
Please take more care with your words. The victims in the church were not expressing an "opposition" to anything and the shooter was not trying to "silence" anything...
I agree that those children were not “expressing opposition”. However, to the shooter, their guilt, simply as Catholics, was in the church’s perceived opposition to his alternative life style. The same as what had motivated Kirk’s assassin. As to my being told to “be more careful with my words” - obviously your own words are ample testimony that you remain oblivious to the fact that it is your own words that require more policing.
Mr. Bonner,
The twenty some odd countries surrounding Israel are quite pleased at the degradation of Iran:
whose proxies lie in the terror apparatus of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, et al
whose leaders are billionaire cowards in Doha.
The US also just installed Al-Jolani, a head chopping jihadi ex-al-qaeda/ISIS commander as President in Syria…so theres that.
Where is the evidence that the US "installed" this guy?
I sincerely doubt that any party, outside or in, could have seen through the fog of the post-Assad Syrian internecine "fuster-cluck", with enough clarity, to even arrange to get cable TV installed.
All true. BUT, we surely did NOT have to recognize or legitimize that murdering scumbag. Oil, Oil, Oil......
Agree. But I have to assume that Trumps style in dealing with primitives is to attempt to forge an agreement to be lived with and not one that grants approval.
"Both sides do it."
"There's not a dime's difference between the two."
"It doesn't matter who you vote for (or what you/they believe?) because they're all the same."
The last several years and days have put LIE to that particular leftist smokescreen - yet Bill persists in spite of the evidence of my eyes and ears.
The Biden Horde and their whores in the "media" have been telling us that it's Whitey Righty, and ONLY him, that is and has been the "existential threat" to our "democracy", even though we live in a Representative Republic. Funny - they have screeched this from the rooftops without offering a 𝗦𝗜𝗡𝗚𝗟𝗘 instance of "White Supremacist", "Right Wing" or "Fundamental Christian" violence. All the while we watched leftists and their domestic enemy, bought-and-paid-for street scum riot, burn down buildings, loot and steal, destroy infrastructure, trash vehicles and even, yes, injure and murder people in the street. Yet Trump and the rest of the America Lovers are the problem.
I don't know how we get out of this peacefully - 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙚𝙛𝙩 𝙬𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙬 𝙞𝙩. Obviously Bill and the "media" are going to continue lying and gaslighting about whom are the violent ones until they no longer have breath.
Well, the bear has been poked, the fuse has been lit - sadly, the cowardly, effeminate, mentally-ill left thinks they know what actual violence, mayhem and war look like. They don't because it is 𝗺𝘂𝗰𝗵 more personal than a video game. It breaks my heart for America that they are fixing to be shown how wrong they are, but from their leadership down to their homeless psychopath, they have zero interest in coexisting. When your tv starts showing and telling you how terrible the "right" is because they begin taking out the trash, just remember who threw the first, second, third and fiftieth punches when all we wanted was to be left alone......
Thank you Starboard for a few more truths! Truths that the demented left can distort and distract with, but can’t extinguish. It’s crazy how the insane talking heads can come out of their holes daily, and lie about “white supremacy” while showing dozens of instances of black crime on the same show. The hypocrisy and ignorance is astounding and in everyone’s faces daily, yet the left chooses to ignore the truth and see only what they are told to….ignorance at its worst🤔
Well said brother. Bonner’s gaslighting about “both sides “ is complete and utter BS. Drivel.
The statement "the welfare state model no longer works" is misleading, in that it implies that the welfare-state model at some point enjoyed a period of prior legitimacy. The welfare-state model exists for one purpose and one purpose only: vote-buying. For 60+ years, it did its job spectacularly well for those implementing the welfare-state model. For those opposed? Not so much...Best always. PM
Exactly Paul! Another “democrat” scam to create the most ignorant and morally bankrupt voting block in world history. It’s the Frankenstein monster that didn’t want to be created, but now lives in violent turmoil that can’t be controlled. It lives on the lies and falsehoods that the left continues to feed it, and thrives on the ignorance that supports it…the welfare state of ignorance and corruption…
Please Bill, I know you haven’t noticed America being at war with itself for these past ten years due to the leftist in our midst. It’s very difficult for you to understand, living overseas and getting the majority of your “news” from CNN, as it’s mostly the only American news network in most of Europe. That is now changing. Even the most ignorant are starting to wake up, and they are not ready to accept the reality of the left/globalist/communist agenda. Socialism and communism do not favor humans, and those who fight for them prove time and time again that they are not human. Not only in their nature and thoughts, but in their actions. The war started with the Obamanation, and hopefully will end in these next few years. It’s not going to be pretty, but it needs to happen or all good will be lost forever. God bless America, and those who fight for her🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Ok, Bill, we all hate violence and war--well, most of us anyway--but your comments on the Middle East were not well thought out. First of all, saying that Biden gave Bibi some sort of "green light" is laughable. Bibi doesn't seek permission from anyone for anything. And he shouldn't. Reasonable people may differ on Israel's right to exist at all, but if you accept that then you have to acknowledge that it's been in an existential battle for over 75 years. It is a small nation, surrounded by enemies insanely dedicated to wiping it off the map. It's fought several major wars against superior forces, and its people have been subject to countless terrorist attacks and rocket assaults that come almost daily. What's happening in Gaza is horrible, but it's ground zero in a war, and the object of a war is not to see how little damage you can do and how few civilians you can kill. It's to win. The Israelis are not committing "war crimes," which is a redundancy. War is the crime. Gaza is no different from Dresden or Hiroshima. You do what you have to do to win, that's the ugly truth. And here's another ugly truth: the carnage would stop if Hamas surrendered; its leadership won't do that and they don't care how many of their innocent civilians die in Allah's name. That they use people as human shields should be utterly repugnant to everyone. Now, as to Qatar. I'd suggest reading Douglas Murray for some perspective. The reason for the Israeli hit is that several top Hamas "leaders" live in luxury there, off of the hundreds of millions in foreign aid that they siphoned into their own pockets. They are not negotiators, they are conscienceless, cowardly thieves who watch from safety as those they supposedly fight for are slaughtered. Qatar shelters them, and good for Israel for going after them....
So Israel should go after Nuttyyahoo too. He funded Hamas in order to keep the Palestinians divided. And you don't believe that Mossad wasn't aware beforehand of the 10/7 attack. They are one of the most advanced intelligence organizations in the world. 10/7 served as their "Pearl Harbor" to allow them to expand their Greater Israel project.
Ok Cartero - same old same old. Granting everything you say ( which I for one don’t), is your twisted Moral Equivalence supposed to lead somewhere beside Netanyahu Bad? You got a point yet??
Yes. The point is Israel is not our ally. Compare the list of countries designated for regime change in Nutty's 1995 book and those on the list given to General Wesley Clark after 9/11. Or research the Israel attack on the USS Liberty. Or ask yourself why the Dancing Israelis were seen celebrating the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers. Or the fact that the Israel debt/GDP ratio is half of ours but we still borrow billions to send to them. Maybe we should have listened to George Washington's warning about foreign entanglements.
Not to beat a dead horse but it also disgusts me that Nuttyyahoo said that America is easy to move and that we are the Golden Calf and they will suck us dry. Plus, the fact that AIPAC - a lobbying group that JFK wanted registered as foreign agents - controls our Congress. If I were King of the Forest I would outlaw all lobbying groups.
"𝑵𝒐𝒕 𝒕𝒐 𝒃𝒆𝒂𝒕 𝒂 𝒅𝒆𝒂𝒅 𝒉𝒐𝒓𝒔𝒆 𝒃𝒖𝒕 𝒊𝒕 𝒂𝒍𝒔𝒐 𝒅𝒊𝒔𝒈𝒖𝒔𝒕𝒔 𝒎𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝑵𝒖𝒕𝒕𝒚𝒚𝒂𝒉𝒐𝒐 𝒔𝒂𝒊𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝑨𝒎𝒆𝒓𝒊𝒄𝒂 𝒊𝒔 𝒆𝒂𝒔𝒚 𝒕𝒐 𝒎𝒐𝒗𝒆 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒘𝒆 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑮𝒐𝒍𝒅𝒆𝒏 𝑪𝒂𝒍𝒇 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒔𝒖𝒄𝒌 𝒖𝒔 𝒅𝒓𝒚."
I've seen you make this claim a number of times here, and I'm wondering if you can provide an original source? Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of anything (I don't have a dog in the fight) it's just that I've looked into it and can't come up with anything. There was supposedly a video, which I can't find, and some audio, which I can't find either. I've seen claims of the original quote here or there, but every link provided ended up as a 404. I did find several fact checking sites that claim the quote is bogus, but I don't have all that much trust in most fact-checking sites as they've been pretty squirrely in the past.
If you can provide some proof, I'd be interested in seeing it.
I notice our friend Mr. Atomico has not responded to your very reasonably posed question.
Yes — there is genuine evidence of a video where Netanyahu says something like “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in our way.” This is from ChatGPT.
It's difficult to find evidence in the US media. Remember these are the same guys who backed Bush's Iraq WMD story and refused to give any space to scientists and doctors who believed the Warped Speed experimental mRNA vaccines were unsafe and ineffective.
Okay, so if there is "genuine evidence" where is it?
If the video or audio actually exists, he didn't say "something like" anything. He either said an exact "something" or he didn't
And if ChatGPT found it, surely it could provide a link.
Good points!
There will never be a “win” until some accommodation is reached with the Palestinians.
And Bibi can be restrained by the source of his weapons and the money he is using to perpetuate his genocide.
Sad too that he is replicating the Warsaw Ghetto
Using a word like 'genocide' is inaccurate. If the Israelis were truly genocidal like, say, the Nazis, they would also be systematically eliminating the 20% of their citizens who are Palestinian. They aren't. What they're trying to do is win a war. Which means whatever it takes. Which can mean behavior that is revolting to us. However, it's Hamas (Hezbollah, Iran) whose clearly avowed aim is to happily commit genocide against the Jews (gleefully, as on Oct. 7)....
ER, not to mention the FOOD and other aid that Israel continues to deliver to the area, only to have it stolen by the hamas "fighters" and re-sold back to their fellow gazans at inflated prices......
Yeah, you don't see that on the evening news. But that's exactly how you get rich in the middle of a war and move to a safer place....
“Abroad...US/Israel desperadoes have opened two new ‘theatres of war.’ The US bombed Iran. And the Israelis bombed Qatar, murdering the negotiators who had been invited to work out a settlement to the Gaza war”
Qatar negotiators!
Qatar is country of some +300,000 citizens who don’t have to work due to enormous gas reserves but are well know as a cesspit of deception, active support of any brand of terrorism, the world has experienced in 20 years.
There is no respect for Qatar and it’s corrupt leadership and Emir family whatsoever by other Middle East Islamic countries, who despise them as the worst country for support of everything extremist and terror financed in the region.
If you need any hard factual evidence of the Qatar sinister history as catalyst of horror, go for a detailed chapter and verse on….
https://www.counterextremism.com/countries/qatar-extremism-and-terrorism
You will never ever again fly Qatar Air or transit Doha if you digest the disgrace this country represents to world two-faced treachery.
But they make a handy cudgel for Bill Bonner to beat up his "enemies" in his "articles."
No terrorist or communist too low apparently....
As further support to my comment about Qatar, do listen to this Saudi leader make their distaste abundantly clear.
https://lnkd.in/p/gHxAQj-q
When we look back in history it seems that every time the country (or any country) gets into a major debt problem, the answer is to go to war to juice up the economy. Print more fiat currency fund the war effort and take peoples attention off the real problem.
Maybe we are heading in that direction again.
Jim Marshall
Also keep the serfs fighting among themselves so the elite can continue to plunder what's left of the USA. How can either of these political parties claim any moral high ground? In fact, this century the Repugs are leading the Dims in the race to see who can run up a bigger national debt.
Bill is definitely right about phoney money. Washington and his buddies are rolling in their graves in horror as we bequeath a greater and greated debt to future generations.
If that was so - or is to be made so - Let's not fail to note that Trump is at least attempting to end wars here and the world over.
Bill, taking out a few small craft drug runners is not war, it's pushback in the pre-existing drug war. Assaulting religion on the other hand, is an attempt to start a war on a worldwide scale.
None of us are Jesus reincarnated. More akin to Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane. One whose first reaction will be to cut the ear off the Roman soldier in self-defense.
We often ruminate about the lessons of the turbulent 1960's. The last time "the theatre kids" took the stage with their uber-radicalism show. Rightly or wrongly, that all ended very abruptly at Kent State when the power of the state finally pushed back in dramatic fashion. Such is the pattern; as the Hemingway character spoke about bankruptcy; a slow escalation as long as there is no attempt to rein things in and then - BAMM.
Trump now quoted as considering the designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization. We all know what options are opened up then, don't we?
Hey Schumer! How's that "reaping the whirlwind" threats to the Supreme Court and mob incitement, going? Pelosi? Schiff? Warren? AOC?
Thanks for nothing you finger stabbing, posing, lying bastards.
I have been told by dimocrat "leadership" and no less than the esteemed Bill Bonner that PANTIFA (Always In A Bunch) is nothing more than a right wing-constructed Figment of Imagination.....
Yeah, I heard that too. An attempt to provide a fig leaf talking point to their useful idiots. They needn’t bother. No one of any intellectual depth takes anything they say as having any value at all.
Also keep the serfs fighting among themselves so the elite can continue to plunder what's left of the USA. How can either of these political parties filled with sociopaths claim any moral high ground? In fact, this century the Repugs are leading the Dims in the race to see who can run up a bigger national debt.
Bill is definitely right about phoney money. Washington and his buddies are rolling in their graves in horror as we bequeath a greater and greated debt to future generations.
I believe the following observation because I asked at least four people over 50 who definitely lean left, on the day Charlie Kirk was assassinated if they knew who he was. 4 out of 4 had no clue. Imagine what they watch. Followed up a few days later and asked if they had more understanding of who he was and what he stood for. Comments , racist, nazi, fascist , hate speech. I wonder where they got the information? Truly amazing and 😞
More amazing was Illinois Governor Spritzer (or whatever) attempting to connect Trump's speech to Charle Kirk's murder. Talk about clueless... Who elects these people?
We know who votes for these thugs. Other thugs. Just as dysfunction breeds dysfunction. Stupidity and ignorance breeds the same. Unfortunately, when you have more of the above over intelligent, God and country loving people, you have the democrat party.
I can understand the kids mouthing this stuff. They don’t know much about life. But when I listen to fully grown adults - people in seats of power - seeking to equivocate and rationalize some of the most heinous and divisive action, using incendiary language, lies and subterfuge to score points, it’s just so, so depressing. More so when known liars such as Adam Schiff are even allowed to freely breathe the air in DC rather than a prison cell.
They’re selected
CNN and MSNBC. Both need to be reorganized and the management in prison. Communist was once justifiably prosecuted as an enemy of democracy and freedom. Now it’s not only glorified, but shoved down the throats of our children. America needs to get back to our constitutional principles and end this madness once and for all. If the left wins this War, they will treat the right with extreme prejudice and contempt, just as we’ve witnessed over the years. It’s what happens when the morally bankrupt and the mentally insane take control. As we see in Every democrat controlled city…
Trump needs to use power of the purse, the bully pulpit and any available legislation to threaten FCC licensing, end Federal subsidy of rogue education and file libel lawsuits against media intent on ginning up mobs, wherever and whenever possible.
The money - some from outside agitators- is the source of their power and power over our nations people is the true objective.
These problems started with JFK allowing government unions to form and become a domestic threat, and that now needs to be looked at with fresh eyes too.
O'hammed's repeal of the Smith-Mundt Act also took us a LONG way into the dark by allowing the domestic "media" to straight-up LIE to the American people in their productions. That used to be illegal.....
I could be wrong but I don’t remember a peep from the republicans when it happened? The Rinos are STILL in charge.
Bonner doesn’t understand a word of what you’re saying. Either that or he’s just a willfully ignorant fool.
Jesus is coming…..
🙏
Please forgive Bill Bonner since he lives in a country surrounded by Surrender Monkeys. Still, he reminds us that we are in a conundrum where there is no way out and we must be reminded that we're in a state of self preservation. It very well may be said that the system has to be finally broken before everyone understands that it is not working well.
Who let it get to that point? Just asking. As to why, there is one of two possibilities (again, a binary choice): those who let it get that way either did not understand to what that choice would lead or they wanted it that way. Best always. PM
I don’t forgive him, he hasn’t asked for it.
Another stream-of-consciousness column from a scrambled mind. You hit on just about everything, Bongo, most of it anti-American claptrap.
Several points. First of all the Gaza war was started by Hamas attacking violently civilians during a peaceful concert. Biden had nothing to do with it. I want to say a few things about 9/11. There is a docuseries which shows some very unpleasant statements. 1. The CIA had something to do with the attack on the World Trade Center to have an excuse to go to war against Afghanistan and Iraq. 2. The CIA followed most of the terrorists coming to California and into schools learning to fly large planes. 3. Also the buildings fell perfectly down similar to buildings being demolished for future buildings. 4. The plane that attacked the pentagon hit the area where documents were kept where much of the money spent was documented. More than 3 trillion dollars became unaccounted for. Of course, none of this can be proven just food for thought. I know this has little to do with BB.
You are drawing a long string to that bow, Abe. A number. I do believe that there were several over sites on the hijackers but that is, some conspiracy theory and a number of them.
It should always be a reminder to the treachery of enemies and that the innocence of free people is exploited.
Just like the ‘Bali Bombings’ that killed 50 of our young people- a smaller but significant act of terrorism on Australian citizens by a similar cohort.
Give us all a break Abe………
Abe, if you have any doubts about the official 9/11 story just go watch the collapse of WTC building 7. NIST says it was from fires but a report from the University of Alaska Fairbanks proved this to be wrong. Plus,from ChatGPT - So far, no steel-framed skyscraper (high-rise) anywhere in the world has ever completely collapsed due to fire alone, except for the three buildings at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 (WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7).
Agreed
Very disturbing on our own government
Have there ever been studies conducted on hi-rise fires fed by an accelerant, such as full tanks of aviator fuel, that would increase the temperature of the fires exponentially?
Yes, there have. And the results showed that what we saw happen to the buildings on 9-11 could not possibly have occurred due SOLELY to burning jet fuel.....
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"𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘣𝘶𝘳𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘫𝘦𝘵 𝘧𝘶𝘦𝘭 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘣𝘺 𝘪𝘵𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧 𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘴𝘶𝘧𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘢𝘱𝘴𝘦𝘴. "
Our acceptance of lunatics into open society, without treatment or incarceration, and our tacit approval of people like Soros as a viable alternative to a Christian society is to blame. We have been far too accepting of evil in society and have allowed it to flourish. I agree with Bonner when he says "when honest money goes, everything goes with it". "Everything" has almost gone.
Conservative Republicans nor the liberal Democrats exist anymore. No one wants to fix our bulging debt crisis, perhaps there is a total lack of ideas from both sides. Do billionaires really care about homelessness or housing affordability? Probably not. What about our runaway medical cost? Definitely not. Any issue and the answer is likely indifference. At some point WE THE PEOPLE will conclude everything has been a big fat lie.
These are the times that try men's souls.
- Thomas Paine
These times have been around since man’s fist day….times change but man never does
Exactly Steve. Thanks for the reminder! Also , how can a country be divided? . From within. This is happening all over the world , Sad to say . One has to remember that there is an adversary that You and I can not , but only see what He is doing .
The sad part is we do know who is responsible for the division and destruction of the West, the problem is the millions behind the puppet masters who control the useful idiots. I would say take off the head of the snake, but it’s going to be at the cost of many millions. It’s going to come down to this war eventually, so better now while we have a government willing to support the good…
My soul has pretty much had the course at this point. Best always. PM