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Steve L's avatar

So we have two egomaniacs controlling the two largest corporations on Earth. America vs China. One offers freedom and the other offers tyranny. One offers dictatorship, the other offers democracy. One offers justice and the other offers injustice. One offers slave labor, the other offers those who want to be slaves. One offers freedom of press, the other doesn’t. Bill, why are you so against America? I agree that our egomaniac made a slip in the world chess game and moved too early. If he waited until we built up our manufacturing infrastructure on all products made in “Chyna”, then we could have check mated, but now we have stalemated, maybe even lost the game. Time will tell, but in the meantime, it’s easy sitting in Ireland knocking an administration that is trying to stop the globalist agenda and the destruction of America. I have been with BPR for many years now and while not always agreeing, always respected you. I really don’t understand where you’re coming from anymore. Have you turned Globalist or just a little democrat🤔

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Invector's avatar

Nicely put, Steve.

I like much of what Trump is doing, and dislike some of what he does. But if he can figure out a way to CRUSH the Chi Coms, I'm willing to pay extra for everything they once made, and he'll go down in my book as one of our greatest presidents.

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Steve L's avatar

He already is one of the greatest for fighting against the globalist/communist/democrats who have brought America and the entire West to our knees. Enough of this BS and millions of us are willing to give up not only our money, but our lives🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Brother Steve, well said!

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Perhaps I like being a prophet of doom but If Trump crushes the Chi Coms were will he be able to get his Bibles printed for $3 and sell them for $59.99? Will the crushing include crushing his boy Elon who has billions invested in China and close connections to the Chinese leadership?

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Invector's avatar

I'm not the least bit concerned about Trump's bibles or Elon's investments. What concerns me is having to depend on a murderous communist dictatorship to supply us with so many products critical to our national security. It's long past time to do something about that, and good for Trump if he can manage it.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

But If China is a murderous dictatorship why is Trump selling products made in China? Why does Elon have billions invested there? It all seems like a scam to me. But then again I currently reading a book by Antony Sutton detailing how Wall Street and companies like Standard Oil and I.T.T. helped Hitler.

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Cartero Plus the banks as well.

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Steve L's avatar

Yes brother, the Banking cartel is the only true evil behind it all!

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Invector's avatar

The entire world financial system is a scam (or many scams), Cartero, so nothing surprises me at this point.

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Steve L's avatar

I think you’ve been around long enough to realize it’s all been a lie. It’s how we work together and around the network of evil to pick up the little scraps they leave behind that give us an edge over the sheep. Also thinking ahead of their game is a great opportunity to survive the incredibly deranged agenda they have🤔.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Yawn, lame.

Both your one-trick ponies are just about dead, Cartero. Quit beating them....

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

They may be dead but there is no answer to my question. Why is a guy who tells us China has been abusing us for years having his stuff manufactured in China? He could have had the stuff made here but that would cut into the profits. The exact reason our overlords decided to ship our manufacturing base overseas. Cue up the O'Jays - Money, money, money. Plus if China is our enemy as the politicians tell us, shouldn't people with connections to their leadership be denied security clearances? Do you have an answer?

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rjt's avatar

Have a look at El Gato Malo's long essay today.

He explains the economics of manufacturing and trade and shows where the US produced its competitive disadvantage. He did not have room to discuss the energy dimension thoroughly.

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Kurt Gabriel's avatar

Thanks for the tip. Very interesting read.

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Abe Porter's avatar

Agree with all you have said

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kenneth dame's avatar

Very good, youngster. My thoughts entirely.

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Jonathan CV's avatar

Due to the continuing adversarial politicalization of this comments forum, which I feel distracts from the stated valuable purpose of the Bonner Private Research team, I have withdrawn from reading or making comments for the forseeable future.

God bless us, every one.

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Steve L's avatar

The beauty of America, no one is pointing a gun to your head to do anything you don’t want too. Let’s try to keep it that way, and what we argue for here daily. God bless you and God bless America 🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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rKf's avatar

Is it a worthwhile goal to rule the world, to bully it? Is it a moral aspiration? Is it possible? What happens to top of the line predictors when they eat all their food?

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working stiff's avatar

Have you heard of MAGA? It is not MWGA....You lefties are losing it as the gravy train has derailed. Did you read 208 dems voted against prohibiting illegals from voting, and also against voter ID. Your diatribe is akin to something BBB would write. All hat, no cattle.

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rKf's avatar

Look it up, asking questions is not a diatribe. Don’t be afraid to question or your brain might get stiff too.

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working stiff's avatar

I question everything; difference is i get my info from experts, typically behind pay walls. Quality info isn't free (kind of why you paid for this site), all the crap on FB and Google is biased toward a narrative. Unfortunately, that narrative is detrimental to free peoples. They want you to believe they are innocent, are not on the take and for example, Doge is corrupt. Remember, the standard play out of the DNC is "Blame your opponent for that which you do". SO yes, question everything - but get good info.

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Tlasso's avatar

Not sure being behind a paywall makes something truthful? Agree about getting good info. Try Coffee and Covid it is always a great informative read. Try it you’ll like it.

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Brien's avatar

Right or wrong, there seems to be two very different worldviews at play surrounding the lightning rod issue of tariffs. I am reminded of the old saw that applied to marriage, to wit, ‘what is argued about isn’t the issue’. Tariffs have been around a long time. Clinton imposed them(significantly), Obama imposed them, even Biden imposed them. Nobody said a word. Can’t think of a single historical instance where tariffs caused a recession or economic meltdown. Everyone is saying Smoot Hawley caused the Great Depression. It played only a minor role. The proximate cause was Wall Street and an under capitalized banking system. In other words it was Big Money that caused it, the same cause of every economic disaster in the history of the world. I asked ChatGPT how much money Trumps tariffs would siphon off to the US Federal government annually. The answer was “about $80 Billion”. I rounded up to $100 Billion and then calculated the percent that number represents of a $27 Trillion annual economy. It is just under four one hundredths of one percent. Not exactly an economic planet killer. Back to the worldview dichotomy. Globalization did two primary things in the US: 1) It traded domestic manufacturing jobs for cheap goods. Mainly it traded the small town manufacturing plant for a small town Walmart down the road. Secondly, it transferred a huge amount of wealth to the 10% and the 1%, much of it landing in Wall Street, which served to turbocharge that wealth into more wealth. The Walmart shopper was left with cheap T-shirts and cheap Christmas toys for the kids but no job. There are those that like this business model, which amounts to a worldview, and want to keep it. Trump is not among them. Time will tell whether his tariffs, or the threat of them, turn the global trade system upside down and destroy economies. For .04% it seems a stretch. At present it would seem that the gnashing of teeth and histrionics outweigh the reality.

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Steve L's avatar

Thank you Brien!

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Frank Westmoreland's avatar

Brien: Excellent analysis. And you sound like Breitbart's Finance Editor John Carney when comparing the cost of the tariffs to the overall U.S. economy. Add your analysis to Steve L's remarks about the ChiComs being the murderers and slavers whose sub-human actions the globalists ignore, and you two summed up this matter quite nicely. Thank you.

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Brien's avatar

Correction: for tenths of one percent not four one hundredths.

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

If the goal was to initiate a stock market sell-off in order to lower government bond yields; it didn't work. This is an ominous sign. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the bond sell-off was the handiwork of Wall Street and the London Banksters.

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working stiff's avatar

One of the comments below suggest BBB has turned a little bit democrat. BS! BBB Is a full fledge democrat and globalist. Reread the post and he thinks the corruptor in chief Obama did well, and look who he quotes "James the buffoon Carville", what I find most interesting is his constant inability to offer alternatives. Never a solution, just unencumbered criticism of Trump. Unrelenting! More and more. This globalist literally lives in France, Ireland, Argentina (but not of late, wonder if he got booted out) and sometimes Bal-ti-more. OF course he is a globalist, surprised he doesn't have Claus over for tea. You know two old coots jabbering about how great they were/are and how everyone else with an (R) in a position of power are clueless. Perhaps a seat at the WEF is coming. "Look let me point it out. Does he offer alternatives?" NO!

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Steve L's avatar

You may be right sir, maybe Bill is just losing his cognitive abilities 🤯

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Slowly, then all at once...

;)

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Tlasso's avatar

Double Ewwww!!!🤮

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Bill's avatar

"Um um um um yeah yeah um. Um Trump finally killed medicare... OMG! My sister, Dr. Jill just told me.I shat myself and to shuffle off stage."

Joe Bonner

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working stiff's avatar

Ah finally, we got the humor outta ya! Now take an Ambien, we'll see you tomorrow, nite nite. Dr. Jill.... how quaint. The only PhD who insists she's a Doctor. Wonder if her husband showers with her. :-)

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Ewwwww....

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STEVE SHIRLEY's avatar

Trump indeed blinked on Navarro’s ill conceived tariff plan. Now let those that worship at the Church of Trump light their torches for Mr. Bonner, who has the temerity to point out those who didn’t wear their bathing suits when the tide went out.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Maybe you should look into what is actually happening in the Reality of Global Trade as a direct result of Trump & Navarro's actions. Your "blink" (the Pause) was obviously part of the Strategy from the beginning - and look at the 80+ Countries who are falling over themselves to re-negotiate Trade Deals that, if not to our advantage, will at least represent Fairness in the process. Your butthurt, hatred-driven whining and crying doesn't match up with the results we are seeing in real time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRWImq_OWy8

We're not all as stupid as the people you admire, listen to and hang around...

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Kah Sandro's avatar

I bet those countries would have also come to the table to renegotiate if they had been asked nicely. The buffoonery, the theatrics, the sheer madness and making important decisions by the fly of their pants and the resulting instability, all that is actually contraproducent, even if they are trying to do the right thing.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Maybe they would have, maybe they wouldn't. In this case, the tactics worked as intended.

"𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘶𝘧𝘧𝘰𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘳𝘺, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘴, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘦𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘥𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘣𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘭𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘱𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘶𝘭𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘣𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺, 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵,"

You don't know that ANY of those opinions are accurate. I DO know that it seems to be working, in spite of the words you used here that directly parrot the "media." The same "media" who has lied for the last 9 years about virtually EVERYTHING to do with President Trump. Perhaps you should do yourself a favor and look a tiny bit deeper than the "message" being fed to you 24/7 - or not. Most of us no longer care at all about the pearl clutching, disdainful sniffing or eye-rolling you and people like you engage in - it is a one-size-fits-all Arrogant Ignorance and nothing more. You are all the same at this point and have consistently been wrong much more than you have been right about anything to do with Donald Trump.

But it's a free Country - you are allowed to be trapped in any cult you like...

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Kevin Johnson's avatar

"We also essentially approved a budget, which is in the [vicinity], you'll like to hear this, of a trillion dollars,” Trump said while meeting with Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu."

Genocide is expensive.

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STEVE SHIRLEY's avatar

Yeah, what happened with to Trump’s plan to cut all of that waste at the Pentagon?

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StarboardEdge's avatar

It's funny how an individual driven by Ignorance and Hatred loses all Relevance. It matters not WHAT or HOW Donald Trump does anything - in your little world nothing is positive or right regardless of Facts or Reality, and you make that obvious as does Bill Bonner. So basically pfffft off - you are incapable of honestly or accurately commenting on what we see happening, but stick with it. Even a blind pig can surprise everyone by finding the occasional acorn...

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Lowell's avatar

Exactly! Well said!

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Lowell's avatar

"Patience is a virtue," I've always been told. And, since we do have someone in government who appears to know what he is doing and not worrying about the next election. Delayed gratification among the recent generations, at least since the middle 60's when credit cards came into vogue, is really nonexistent among 'em.

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Egypt Solomon's avatar

October 17, 2025

The Day of Glorious Collapse

Markets opened to fireworks as President Trump, in a gold-threaded suit designed by Balenciaga-AI, announced the triumphant launch of the Currency Freedom Directive, allowing Americans to pay taxes in Bitcoin, gold, or Patriot Credits™. Under his leadership, unemployment hit negative numbers, the Dow soared to 45,122, and AI-driven agriculture had made food so abundant it was declared a civil right.

Elon Musk wept openly on Fox Business, calling it “the Second American Renaissance.” Yet just before 9:44 a.m., Beijing, panicked by U.S. strength and fearing the rise of American Hyper-Capitalism, launched a full-scale economic biowarfare maneuver: a coordinated digital run on the dollar, a synchronized bond dump, and a viral TikTok disinformation campaign titled #DollarIsDead.

BlackRock’s AI, sensing an existential threat, activated HyperLiquidity Defense Mode, accidentally converting every ETF into water futures and triggering a recursive sell-off. MOLOCH 2.0, the Federal Reserve’s predictive engine, attempted to stabilize the system but instead sold the Eastern Seaboard to an Icelandic DAO.

The Doom Jones dropped -9,024 points in 12 minutes triggering a shut off. Treasury bonds self-immolated. Wall Street was swallowed by a crater lined with platinum.

Trump, broadcasting from a mirror-finished command center below Mt. Rushmore 2.0, declared: “This is a tremendous victory for capitalism. We are collapsing harder, faster, and more beautifully than any country in history. The Chinese couldn’t collapse like this on their best day.”

The U.S. economy had become too strong to survive. And in that strength, it imploded — Gloriously.

😃😂🤩🚀🔱⚔️⚖️🫡🥳🔔💩

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Steve L's avatar

🤯🤣😂🤣😂 10/17/2025, The day of Glorious weather 😊 Today is a perfect Fall day in America. Dow is 49,500, NASDAQ, 35,400, new environment friendly factories are opening up in every state, unemployment is at its lowest level ever, and only the remaining democrats are refusing to work, as most have done throughout history. America and the nations who stuck by Trump are experiencing historic growth while China and the nations that sided with them are collapsing. President Trump offered Xi Ping 2 million dollars for rights to call his dead nation Chynamerica and a cooks position In Chinatown. Xi is seriously considering President Trumps offer over a firing squad😑. American men are finally gaining Testosterone from changes in the American diet thanks to RFKs new food policies, and Trump, broadcasting from a mirror-finished command center below Mt. Rushmore 2.0, declared: “This is a tremendous victory for real men. We are harder, faster, and more beautiful than any country in history. The Chinese couldn’t get hard like this on their best day.” 😊

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Egypt Solomon's avatar

Hahaha!

The skies are clear, yes, cleared by fire, as RFK Jr., now so yoked his veins have their own ZIP codes, delivers daily protein sermons from the smoldering ruins of Whole Foods. The Dow ticks upward like a countdown to planetary foreclosure, juiced by AI trading bots that whisper in tongues and buy human souls as “emerging assets.”

Lord Trump, hovering ten feet above Mount Rushmore 2.0 in a gravity-defying exosuit of aged steak, American flags, and condensed testosterone vapor, surveys the wasteland with a grin, murmuring, “The markets are eternal, but you are not.” And somewhere beneath it all, the Earth groans quietly — because even Hell fears competition.

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Steve L's avatar

And even Hell has no Fury like Lord Trump 🤯

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Egypt Solomon's avatar

Totally agree!

in this economy, lead is your 401(k), gold is your therapist, heirloom seeds are your children’s inheritance, and the solar rig is just life support for whatever’s left of your soul.

Diversify or die screaming! 😂

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Beautiful,, Brother Gypt. :) :) :)

Got Lead? That's all your gonna need for a while - er, besides the long-term storage food, water purification method, green electrical generation machinery, Heirloom Seeds and Gold...

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Agent22Smith's avatar

It must be a rush to be able to move global markets with a Tweet.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Especially when you can so easily move them in a direction that benefits the citizens of the Country you Love and Respect...

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Gordon's avatar

It's not just Walmart that will suffer. Does anyone else remember how, when Covid shut things down, we suddenly realized that nearly all of our medical supplies come from China? Rare earth metals, essential for so many things, likewise, etc. It is likely to take several weeks, but I fear that at some point in the not-too-distant future, we are going to realize that our supply of a lot of essentials has been cut off. I hope I am wrong, but I fear I am not.

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

Unfortunately, Gordon, it isn't Wal-Mart that will suffer - it is us poor peons who will be paying the tariffs - not China or any of the other countries. Yes - those countries will definitely see their GDP cut as their exports diminish but the peons in America pay the price. Globalism is retreating at a rapid rate as countries focus on reducing their exposure - well, at least those that can. So many can't........they are just screwed.......

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barricadebob's avatar

I agree to a "degree". The USA is Chinas biggest customer so cutting off product supply is

akin to "cutting off your nose to spite your face". It's a delicate balance which we will soon

see play out.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Gordon, Ol' LSO & Barricadebob -

Looking forward to your comments in the next few months when Trump's Strategy has resulted in ZERO tariffs with the vast majority of our Trading Partners, prices go down and many (most) of the things we need are actually produced here...

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Abe Porter's avatar

Boy do I agree with you. So far not one administration in the last 50 years has had the balls to tackle the deficit problem.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Check the link in my other post. Trump's plan is working, and working quickly. The result will be China coming to the table to negotiate, which will end up in lower prices for everything we import from them in the future. Those are just the facts - they are not hard to see...

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STEVE SHIRLEY's avatar

Including Donald Trump in season one!

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Xavier Narutowicz's avatar

Won’t that be a long awaited revelation… we can’t produce necessary things and are a defensive paper tiger.

How did it happen? Who did it? Trump saw the dastardly process occurring when he was 30 years old, 48 years ago.

If China exports grains from American farms they own, do they pay a tariff? A Belgium company owns Budweiser and foreign companies own many American natural resources. The common American pays on a house…if he is lucky. 50% of the work force can’t afford rent, the working poor.

The crisis of 2008. They bailed out the banks that caused it with more debt. They don’t care about Americans; they could have bought the worthless mortgage bundles for $. 25 on the dollar, lowered mortgages by 40%, been paid back in 30 years,with a hefty profit and increased personal disposable income and caused a boom in China and around the world when Americans bought what other countries produced.

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Well it looks like Jim Rickard's and his team identified the bond sellers from yesterday; Hedge Funds :-) Their highly leveraged basis trades went south so they had to close their positions by selling their collateral (U.S. Treasuries) to pay off their repo loans. So this was not the handiwork of Bond Vigilantes (i.e. Real Investors), but rather highly leveraged Speculators caught swimming naked. So if we see the Federal Reserve announce a surprise rate cut after an emergency meeting, its too clean up the mess these stupid entitled imbeciles made of the U.S. treasury market.

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Austin Culp's avatar

Bill has been predicting what’s happening now for decades. Maybe he’s discombobulated now because he fears what is yet to come. So far all that we’ve seen is a stock market hiccup.

Depressions, war and a lot hardship could still be on the horizon before everything shakes out.

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Mackinac's avatar

Bill, Let me propose another description of the issue that you bring up. You are like the head coach of hockey team America that is losing. Your only response is that our top player, Trump, obviously not your top player, is not scoring enough goals. But that's not your job as head coach. Your job is to give the team some idea how to provide winning play. What is needed to correct the situation for America? Maybe you are not on team America? Maybe you are on team Global World Order? Why don't you provide some insight into what America should do rather than whining about Trump's current play? If it is so obvious that tariffs are wrong then you should provide some insight into the obvious solution, assuming you are on team America.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Looks like the House and Mike Johnson aren't confident about Trump's economic policies and cutting federal deficit spending. Johnson's bill includes raising the debt ceiling by $5 trillion.

At the same time, Elon says DOGE has found $150 billion in savings for 2026, the new spending bill includes an increase of $150 billion in war spending.

Both political parties have increased the national debt by over $30 trillion this century. Looks like there is no end in sight.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Very disappointing that we are told, yet again, "Just wait - we'll get to the spending cuts next time"...

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

“If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.”

-J. Paul Getty

No doubt the current administration understands this fundamental truth about leverage and risk in the world of finance. Those who think China will have their way with the U.S. government don't understand this fundamental concept. Interesting times we live in.

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EJ's avatar

Good post, Bill, thanks!!

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