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Dave J's avatar

"And now…another war…another opportunity for fake deal making! It is a war of geo-political hygiene, say its sponsors (the US and Israel)…designed to immunize the Mideast against a nuclear-armed Iran. But everybody knows Iran poses no real nuclear threat." -- Bill in today's missive

Sigh . . . two can play this game. Apparently not everybody knows Iran poses no real nuclear threat:

"The immediate trigger for this war may have been an International Atomic Energy Agency board resolution issued days before, which passed by 19-3. That, for the first time in twenty years, Iran was found to be in noncompliance with its nuclear-related agreements. This vote was called based on Iran’s refusal over the last six years to explain the presence of undeclared nuclear material in Iran."

That quote is from a special report written by Jim Rickards today, who I dare say knows far more about geopolitics and has a lot more inside information and contacts than Bill. So I have a couple questions for Bill:

1) Why would a country as oil-rich as Iran even need a nuclear program? and,

2) Why would they need to enrich uranium to such a high degree if they only want that nuclear program for peaceful purposes?

I'll wait for your answer.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Why should we care if Iran developed nukes? Israel already has over two hundred. Why are we involved in this war? More spending and more debt. MIGA not MAGA.

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Dave J's avatar

I don't know, maybe it's the missiles they've already developed that can carry nuclear warheads about 8,000 miles and reach our Eastern Seaboard.

I love everyone on here that have suddenly become hawks for government spending. It would have been better if all this hue and cry about spending took place during Biden's four years where it increased over 50 percent.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Hypocrisy - the FOUNDATIONAL ingredient in every leftarde/dimocrat/communist....

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Dave J's avatar

You have me laughing out loud Brother. There's seems to be an inordinately high rate of, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" on here today.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Keep it up, Brother D. You are doing a MUCH better job than I am at putting the Truth out there. I let my emotions get the best of me too often and Reality gets stained by the foam....

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

If you wish to talk about hypocrisy, how about Donnie Trump dodging the draft and now playing the tough guy? Donnie also had his $59.99 Bibles printed in China for $3.99 at the same time decrying China for mistreating us.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Dude - give it a rest. You would be MUCH happier if you let go of your obsessive Hatred of Trump. It's very sad. There is a LOT more important stuff happening around the world right now - you are skewed because EVERYTHING for you has to be viewed through Trump glasses. Let him move out of your head for a while.....

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Dorothy's avatar

SE: We feel the same as you do with all your nasty remarks about Democrats. You stops making your stupid remarks and maybe we will do the same with Dumb Trump.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

And why mention Biden in your reply? I didn't vote for either of these idiots. Two old grifters who can barely maintain a conversation. Both of them completed for who could leave us a bigger debt.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Then are you worried about Nuttyyahoo and the Zionist Samson Option? Why the hard on for Iran and not for Israel? Did you forget that in a false flag attempt Israel attacked the USS Liberty and murdered US sailors? Do you think the Dancing Israelis were practicing new disco moves when they were seen celebrating the collapse of the Twin Towers?

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Dave J's avatar

Iran sponsors Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houtis and a lot of terrorism that has killed Americans. I don't see Israelis raping women and children, taking and torturing hostages or targeting civilian areas (unless there are military targets embedded in them).

Is Israel lily white? Show me a nation state that is. I just draw the line at a place where Iran and their proxies have crossed and Israel has not. I don't see any moral equivalence whatsoever between the two sides.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

I just told you Nuttyyahoo funded Hamas in order to keep the Palestinians divided. Plus he provided medical treatment for ISIS fighters wounded in Syria. Did you miss the demonstration in Israel when some IDF members were disciplined for ass raping prisoners. They were demonstrating for the right to rape not against it.

Whatever the moral equivalence may be, why are we wasting our tax dollars on Israel while we have so many problems here. Still no answer for the Dancing Israelis?

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Dave J's avatar

You're going to need to send some source material on your claims. There's probably some shreds of truth in what you say, but I'm guessing there's a whole lot more to the story.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Ok, Cartero. Take a breath....

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Sorry, but I enjoy doing this. I had the same fun with Obama fanboys who couldn't believe that Obama was a fraud put in power to shut up the left. Imagine the squeals from the left if McCain had won and bailed out the Wall St crooks.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

One last thing about Israel Nuttyyahoo wrote a book in 1995 Fighting Terrorism: How Democracies Can Defeat Domestic and International Terrorism. This book included the countries whose governments had to be overthrown that magically coincided with the list presented to Gen Wesley Clark at the Pentagon after 9/11. Qui bono- Mossad takes out the Twin Towers and the US gets involved destroying the countries on Nutty's list. Maybe you should worry about the nukes that Israel has.

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Dave, if I was a leader of a foreign nation the first thing I'd do is secure nuclear weapons. That's really the only deterrent the regime changers understand. Remember this quote:

“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”

― Henry Kissinger

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Dave J's avatar

I was never a Kissinger fan. All I know is that all the pundits and personalities that predicted World War III after Trump took out Soleimani where wrong. I see a whole bunch of countries sitting watching Israel conduct a military clinic and applauding like fans in the stands (including the U.S., Germany, France and others).

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Fair enough. This is only the first inning. If they don't get their regime change in the next couple of weeks their looking at a prolonged war. Israel doesn't have the resources for a prolonged war and they'll soon be begging for U.S. assistance. This is when the train jumps the tracks and MAGA die's on the vine.

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Dave J's avatar

You could be absolutely right about the urgency of the situation. However, what will the regime have to rule over if everyone leaves town and their intelligence and military complexes are so compromised that nobody wants to be "the next man up" for fear of assassination? Imagine being a ruler over rubble because once the civilians get out Israel is going to level the place.

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Israel doesn't have an answer for hypersonic missiles. If this war goes red hot both Iran and Israel will have a major rebuilding project. However, the biggest casualty will be MAGA. Once you go against public opinion you soon find the rope. POTUS has only downside with getting involved in this war.

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Dave J's avatar

Which is why he won't get into it directly. Aside from selling them materiel we'll park ships in the Mediterranean and shoot some missiles out of the sky, but that's defensive.

As for the hypersonic missiles, from what I've read thus far, the idea is to eliminate the launchers. If they get to air supremacy, that should be doable. There's no question this is very risky business. But it's a lot less risky if nuclear bombs are off the table.

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STEVE SHIRLEY's avatar

Your argument would be more persuasive if you explained the false reasoning behind Tulsi Gabbard’s statement. Why would she lie?

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StarboardEdge's avatar

A fair question - and neither of us know if she did lie, or what the reason behind her words was - whether lying or not. What we DO know is that there was a high-level meeting about the state of Iran's nuclear program at Camp David earlier this month. All of the expected first-string players were there - EXCEPT Tulsi Gabbard. I don't know why that would be either, but a partial response to your excellent question would be "Are we expected to believe that the people on this list are ALL committed to war with Iran, thus are they the one's lying?" - because they sure seem to believe Iran does or will pose a nuclear threat. Hmmm. Wars and Rumours of Wars...

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/10/trump-camp-david-iran-gaza-meeting

In Attendance at the meeting:

Vice President J.D. Vance

Secretary of State Marco Rubio

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth

Chief of Staff Susie Wiles

CIA Director John Ratcliffe

Special Envoy Steve Witkoff

Notably absent? Tulsi Gabbard.

PS - Bonner's glib assertion that Iran is harmless is laughable, ignorant and dangerous. It truly illustrates why his missives are a complete waste of time. It further shows how he is gaslighting and lying to his readers, because surely he doesn't believe the words he wrote today. Why he is doing that about so many VITAL subjects is also a very important question, IMO...

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STEVE SHIRLEY's avatar

I think it is safe to say that based on past aggressions of the Military Industrial Complex, we know less than we know! Thoughtful response.

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Fraser M's avatar

A lot of trustworthy people in that meeting. There's a big difference between a vote that Iran is in non compliance and "Iran has nuclear weapons".

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but I will never forget or forgive the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" lies and now "we" are gearing up to "liberate the shit out of them" again.

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Dave J's avatar

Bill's argument would be more persuasive if he gave us the date of Gabbard's remark and some context. Cherry picking a single sentence as the foundation of what is a complicated situation, and therefore a complicated argument, isn't compelling to me. I think my two questions trump Bill's argument, irrespective of anything Gabbard said or didn't say.

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STEVE SHIRLEY's avatar

It was in March of this year.

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Dave J's avatar

OK, a lot can happen in three months, and if I'm not mistaken she said that while trying to get confirmed to her Cabinet post. As someone that was a controversial pick for that job, I can easily imagine that she might have been trying to thread a needle in order to get confirmed. Also, a Cabinet nominee isn't "read in" on sensitive, classified or top secret information. Do you think it's possible she might like to retract that statement based on what she knows now?

I'd still like someone to explain why Iran needs a nuclear program and why they are enriching uranium to weapons grade levels.

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STEVE SHIRLEY's avatar

You are mistaken, she was confirmed in February. You really making excuses at this point!

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Dave J's avatar

So what, how does that invalidate the point that new information is discovered every day and based on that information she could have an entirely different view of the situation today? Far more important than one comment she made, is that the IAEA voted 19-3 that Iran is hiding the football with respect to their "nuclear program". I guess you missed that part.

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Sluggo's avatar

Gabbard, while a reserve officer, endorsed a communist - Bernie Sanders - for president in 2016, saying he “is the Commander in Chief we need.” She has yet to apologize for this egregious lack of judgement.

She is a disgrace to her Oath, and to the uniform. Now a Repub, Gabbard is nothing more than a rat off of the sinking Democrat ship. She has zero credibility.

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

The World (except Israel) have turned against Trump and the U.S. Trump essentially was told to go home along with his mouthpiece Rubio from the G7 meeting in Canada. More and more commentators are becoming agitated and hostile to Trump. Frankly, the TACO Clown is a menace to the future of the USA and the World. He is by far the worse President ever - and that includes brain-dead Biden. He swaggers, he is pompous, he is full of sh*t. Trump is a delusional narcissist. He knows nothing about Russia, less about Ukraine, and ignorant of Iran. He needs to be impeached.

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Sluggo's avatar

C’mon, stop pulling punches: tell us what you really think about Trump, Ol’ California Man…

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

I am ol' and apologize if I was too wishy-washy. Although, Sluggo, you may have gotten my drift.

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Sluggo's avatar

Won’t disagree that Trump can be full of sh!t…he IS a northeasterner, after all.

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Abe Porter's avatar

LSO:

Again with your bullshit. You are more ignorant than I thought. Are you the ‘great measurer’ that you can measure world opinion. How the hell do you know that ALL the world has turned against Trump (except Israel). I understand why you take a liking to Brain-dead Biden. AP

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

Abe, apparently not. Obviously, you haven't. It is understood reality is a hard pill to swallow when you see the TACO Clown as the 2nd Coming. He has done little of what he had promised. Stop the Ukraine war on Day 1. Really? Focus on America. Really? Get the deficit under control. Really. You don't need to read the tea leafs to see what a failure the TACO Clown is. Amazin' how long it takes some to wake up and smell the coffee.

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Dave J's avatar

There's always room to criticize any politician because they have faults like every dog has fleas. But seriously, we haven't had a single soldier fired upon or put in harms way. Getting rid of the regime in Tehran has world-wide implications, and virtually all of them are good.

As for the debt and deficit the guy has been in office about five minutes relatively speaking. He's got a razor thin margin in the House and a few nutjobs in his Senate Majority. Is he full of hubris and arrogance, sure. Is he like finger nails on a chalkboard . . . at times. However, he's trying to do some things that haven't been done in many decades. Things that are more than a little difficult, despite Bill Bonner's oversimplified ramblings. I think everyone (including Bill) should read or watch Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" speech, and then sit down, shut up and let things play out. Here it is for those that can invest 2 minutes 49 seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A311CnTjfos

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

Interesting. Overthrowing another country - just another day at the office. Trump nor the U.S. have the power to dictate to the rest of the World. He has no diplomatic sense at all. Just tries to be the Big Bully - aka "The Art of the Deal" except China and others have more cards. You don't see other leaders (almost choked calling the TACO Clown a "leader" - frankly, more like a larper) posting ridicules things on social media, telling countries I gave you 60 days and you didn't do what I said so your people will be killed. Killed! DId you see that? Killed. America, unfortunately, is going to pay for his actions - maybe not his elite billionaire backers, but us minions and peons. So, like the rest of the Jonestown crowd, who are you going to blame when the US$ is toast and the U.S. is in a depression?

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rKf's avatar

OK, just for a little fun, I will weigh in here. Doesn’t this sound like DJT? “The gist of the modern empire builder’s creed is that he has a duty to make the world a better place, and he can only do it by telling other people what to do. It is inconceivable to him that others might have their own ideas of what a better world would look like.” “The Empire of Debt” p. 61, William Bonner and Addison Wiggin.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

"who are you going to blame when the US$ is toast and the U.S. is in a depression?"

Trump is the wet dream for people like you. Y'all have convinced 30% of the Country to Hate him at any and all costs - then when the ever-looming and unavoidable shit hits the fan, you have your instant fall guy. Meanwhile, the people and policies y'all have tacitly and actively supported FOR DECADES is the real culprit.

What a disgusting bunch of shallow LIARS and thieves...

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Dave J's avatar

If the regime in Iran didn't want to get squashed like a bug they should have considered stopping uranium enrichment and manufacturing thousands of ballistic missiles. It's a classic FOFO tale.

"America, unfortunately, is going to pay for his actions - maybe not his elite billionaire backers, but us minions and peons."

I keep hearing things like your quote above and yet, the GDP numbers came in significantly higher and the inflation rate has been significantly lower. Anything can happen, but thus far, the doom and gloom predictions ring hollow.

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Jimm Roberts's avatar

You started quiet a flurry of discussion.

Of the plethora of comments, Ol' LSO's were the only ones that were on target.

Regardless, I'm sure you agree that we don't need another war nor does the Middle East need one

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rKf's avatar

Dave J, I don’t care to get into a tit for tat - what is a “tat” anyway - but I will provide one more quote from “The Empire Of Debt,” just for the sake of contemplation: This is how China controls American finance & the flow of goods: “China sells to the world most everything the world wants. China then uses the dollars it receives to buy Treasury securities. That helps to hold down U.S, interest rates and stimulates consumer spending, enabling Americans to buy more from China.” Page 73. Theory maybe, but it does provide a form of warfare that China could, if it wanted to, use.

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Mike Ware's avatar

Can’t teach an OL’ dog anything, apparently

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RANDALL R NORTON's avatar

Seriously, that is too cute! Gotta love it!

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Yup. Your superior intellect and observation skills had almost convinced me. Then the continual use of the lame, leftarded TACO label pushed me over the finish line.

Pro Tip - you can't exhaustively use a poorly-manufactured, supposedly-derogatory nickname that was invented by the most ignorant of leftists out there - then try to convince anyone that you "were" a supporter or even on the Right side of the aisle by a hair. Your posts over MONTHS prove you are anything but a Conservative or Trump supporter - so stow that garbage. At best you've appeared as a fence-sitting, libtarde-lite.

It is beneath you to lie now with such enthusiasm, 'Ol Man...

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

SE, we obviously look at the world through different lenses. You love Trump and thinks he knows all and if the World would just do what he says, life would be wonderful. Seriously, you have taken a big sip of the cool-aid. TACO is exactly what he is - he flip-flops and has no strategy. The World knows Iran doesn't have the bomb but ol' TACO believes the devils in Israel. He is delusional. And does he even review any of his stuff - 10% tariff on Heard and McDonald Islands. Imports nor exports anything to the U.S. Really? Just unbelievably lacks credibility and those buying into his BS need to take a hard look. The World is growing tired of his act.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Wrong on several counts. The main one I will address is that I don't "love" Donald Trump. Try to get this - Trump was and is the ONLY choice we had/have to get things turned around - so I support him, warts and all. This is the part I want you to get - IF you decide to support a Person, Policy or Action, you've got to be in 100% and see it through until it becomes obvious you are wrong. Fence-sitting, Middle-of-the-Road or Weak Vacillating are NOT viable options for me.

You have chosen to oppose any and all things Trump, just like our host. But you weren't a solid supporter to begin with - and that's fine because it's the best thing about our Country. Just don't begin lying and deflecting because you have finally made up your mind. If only you were so committed to the Positives we see happening all around us, even while there are negative outcomes at the same time.

One more thing - Hate Trump all you want. What happens when you are successful and he is removed from Power? What do we get then, 'Ol Man? I'd bet it would be a far sight WORSE that any of the infantile, superficial complaints you are making now...

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Mike Ware's avatar

Amen SE, I’m so sick of loser’s telling us how much we love, and even worship President Trump. It’s all they can think of? It’s grotesque. I, for one, don’t love men, and I surely wouldn’t worship one.

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kenneth dame's avatar

You and Bill should be running the show. Our problems would be over. Except that history has shown that religious leaders can be some of the most unpredictable decision makers. However, with your's and Bill's vast knowledge of the Iranian Mulah leader,every one knows he would use logic and common sense in making his future decisions. By the way, Democratic socialist absolutely love the Auto Pen. That way they could have multiple nitwits signing those wonderful liberal bills and blame it on an incompetent old man. Now, at least you and Bill can knowingly blame all of the world's current and future problems on a single man, Trump.

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

Obviously, Kenneth, the TACO Clown isn't the cause of all the problems. Unfortunately, he is not doing anything he promised to do. Still sending money to Ukraine, still sending money and war materials to Israel, hasn't address the deficit at all and, in fact, making it worse. Tariffs here, tariffs there, tariffs everywhere - but, oh wait, he changes his mind. He got told to go home from the G7 meeting. The TACO Clown believes he - and only he - knows what is best for the World. It is truly staggering and unbelievable how out of touch with reality the TACO Clown is. And, you can believe in him, you can drink the cool-aid, and hopefully the US won't end up like Jonestown. With Trump - the hope was he had learned something the first time around but Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

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kenneth dame's avatar

Give me a break. Like Bill with that condenscending attitude, you make some decisions to quickly. We have never believed that Trump was the answer but he was far better than the "multiple" presidents with sleep Joe. Our problem was he was the only choice given to us peasants to vote for by the elites and the military/industrial complex crowd. Also, your evaluation of me is questionable. I don't like TACOs or care for clowns, but I can put up with either for a time. I do care for Lee Greenwood, classic country music and common sense. Although the latter is many times very difficult to find in a politician, irregardless of party. Also, if you live in California, you have my sympathy.

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Mike Ware's avatar

He doesn’t have my sympathy. He’s disrespecting his own service and his Commander in Chief. Not surprised he chooses to “live” in Kalifornia.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

^^^THIS^^^^

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Well, now, Mr. LSO. It seems on most things I agree with you 100% I am with you, Trump is really screwing up at this time! I voted for him three times. However, to say, Biden was better. I’m seeing a little TDS involved. He closed the southern border. He’s attempting mass deportation. those two things alone would be worth my vote. But I am with you if this thing is crazy. We should stay out!

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An Ol' LSO's avatar

Biden wasn't there and they knew it. I voted for Trump 3 times too. Egg on my face! He promised to be the Peace President. He promised to balance the budget. He promised America 1st. Those are all lies. Continuing wars in Ukraine and now Iran/Israel. The BBB has a $2.2T deficit and the debt ceiling may be raised by $5T - so much for even thinking about balancing the budget. America 1st - don't see it. Driving all our allies away and giving them incentives to form new alliances isn't putting America 1st. He has become a disaster to all of us minions/peons. Does he care about us? Absolutely not. He can't run again so "off with our heads"! Truly sad - and we all had such high hope.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Time to throw this baby out, even though we've only had him a few months. He keeps pooping himself and he won't stop crying - so he's gotta go....

Sheesh. Talk about fair weather "friends"...

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Mike Ware's avatar

It’s truly sickening.

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Yeah, he’s still better than Biden but this thing with Israel is just disgusting. Absolutely disgusting having said that he’s the best politician. I have had personally since Kennedy. The rest of all sucked!

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Dorothy's avatar

WFE: You must be kidding that Trump is better than Biden. Trump is so lost and doesn't have a clue what to do. That probably goes for his staff also. He's made so many statements that he is going to make America great again. Well, we are still waiting...it only gets sadder.

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Abe Porter's avatar

Holy Shit. Bill Bonner is a clone of Joe Biden. He has gone mentally ballistic; his mind is floating in space. With comments such as: Iran gave up its nuclear weapons program! Iran would never attack Israel with a nuke! The ayatollah never wants death to Israel or the US! Trump has not made any deals! Trump hasn’t ‘gotten’ Greenland, Canada or the Panama Canal! Just remember Trump has been in power for 5 months. Bill Bonner is becoming senile and should quit writing these ridiculous B.S. stories; retire to your properties around the world and keep your mouth shut. AP

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Jimm Roberts's avatar

You should stop reading Bill's opinions. They upset you and cause you to go off your mental rails

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dr. b's avatar

Everybody knows Iran poses no real nuclear threat? With that assertion, Bill has gone from rowing with one oar in the water to drifting at sea.

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Tulsi Gabbard, who I trust feels very strongly there is no nuclear arms. Hence no need for Iran to be attacked. Israel is a rich country that Israel handle Israel. And no, I am not antisemitic! I am anti-war if it does not affect us.

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

...likely there is no immediate threat from the country that rules by strict authoritarian orthodox Islam religion known to endorse terrorism and violence; labels the U.S. as "the big Satan" and Israel "the little Satan" ... no, nothing to worry about.

And please list the folks that admit they are pro-war...

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Speaking of terrorism - Israel provided medical treatment for ISIS fighters wounded in Syria. Did you notice that ISIS never attacked Israel? Plus, Nuttyyahoo funded Hamas in order to keep the Palestinians divided. And the Dancing Israelis were arrested after being seen celebrating the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers. With friends like Israel who needs enemies.

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

ISIS has many motivations for not attacking Israel (yet).

It's not for lack of "want"; there are orthodoxy, logistical and counter threats to contend... perhaps you should try alternate news sources for balance.

From the "Jewish Chronicle":

As the New York Times reported at the time, the five men were caught in the wide net thrown by American law enforcement officials, eager to be seen to be taking action after the actions of 9/11.

A report by the FBI cleared their names later that month. A field report published a few weeks later stated: “Both the Newark and the New York Divisions conducted a thorough investigation which determined that none of the Israelis had any information on prior knowledge regarding the bombing of the World Trade Center. Furthermore, Newark and New York determined that none of the Israelis were actively engaged in clandestine intelligence activities in the United States.”

Cartero... I do not know what really happened, I suspect neither do you...

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

One final thing- they weren't caught in a wide net. They were seen celebrating the collapse. Qui bono? 9/11 gave the excuse to take out Iraq - Nuttyyahoo can be seen drumming up support for taking out Iraq. He's done the same thing with Iran. Since 1996 he's been saying Iran is a few weeks away from acquiring nukes in an effort to get the US to go to war with Iran.

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

... it has been reported for years Iran is on the brink of obtaining "the bomb".

You agree this is fake news.

... it has been reported for years 911 was an inside job

You are convinced this is authentic.

Truth is subjective... propaganda is designed to install belief... that is its sole purpose... it's obviously working as we really don't know do we?

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

And here's a little something about the Dancing Israelis who just happened to be seen celebrating the demolition of the Twin Towers. https://youtu.be/m17oElr86AM?si=3-adkKnKAZRqWVWc

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Hey angry. I did not say that I ran leaders are good people. However, everything that I have read from people I trust like Tulsi say they are no closer to a bomb than they were. Nor I’m moving to it. But let me try and help you out here if you do not know that October 7 was set up by net yahoo as a false flag. I don’t even know what to say to you. He has craved the Gozen strip forever now. Now he sees the oil in Iran. Nutty is a sociopath. I have spoken to many Jews, who fear my words are true on October 7 that yahoo was up for corruption charges. I do hope that you know by now that 911 was an inside job. I am truly not trying to be offensive.

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Dorothy's avatar

WFE: Where's your proof? I have read numerous articles and none that stated that it was an inside job. Let us know the proof of that information.

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

Mr. Extraordinaire, I have heard these theories and others similar.

It is my experience conspiracies are always only realized post-event.

The train leaves the station and the hobos jump aboard...

did the train conspire allowing free rides to the bums or was it leaving anyway?

I cannot speak to the many speculations, but I can attest; political entities will always attempt to capitalize on events after the fact.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Actually most conspiracy theories turn out to be true like Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot JFK or the Warped Speed experimental mRNA vaccines weren't safe or effective. But as far as 10/7 maybe you can watch this clip and tell us it was just a conspiracy theory that Israel let 10/7 happen so they could clear out Gaza. https://youtu.be/Li164lMRR48?si=QCzyxDodefCNIEFI

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

Jimmy Dore is a comedian gone politico.

He gets money with "clicks".

How much money do you think he would get if he said Oct 7th was a Hamas panned event?

We choose to believe the propagation we prefer...

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dr. b's avatar

Has it occurred to you that Gabbard’s comment might be misinformation or perhaps in error? Have you noticed yet that Israel’s intelligence capabilities are spectacularly detailed and accurate?

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

So Mr. B you have noticed that Israel has the best intelligence capabilities in the world! So as you go on and on about how smart they are, how did they get all those bombs in many airplanes, etc. etc. etc. passed surveillance?

I think I can help with that. It was a false flag. The sociopath in Israel set the whole thing up. Everyone does it, Hitler, Israel, America,. Look up the I believe it’s 1954 incident where Israel sent some Egyptian Jews in to do some damage for a false flag . Everybody does it!

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dr. b's avatar

Superior intelligence isn’t synonymous with perfect intelligence 100 percent of the time. Are their false flags? Guess so, but hard to truly know what and when that’s happening unless it gets openly acknowledged at some point. Seems like an explanation which is - more often than not - replacing errors in intelligence with a malevolent and paranoid conspiracy. That being said, I’m still eagerly awaiting how Israel didn’t pick up on the Oct. 7th terror attack and a full explanation for the failures of intelligence.

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

I chuckled when I read your antisemitic comment. Conflating the government of Israel with Judaism is what lost the 40 and under crowd. I know so many Jews that tell me unsolicited, Bibi is an abomination.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

The people pulling the strings have successfully deceived most of the world into believing that Israel is a Religious State (ruled by their religious" leaders") versus the Secular state that she really is. This belief is particularly strong among young people. Hence - it can be a "good" thing to hate the "Jews", when the cause of that hatred is actually due to the decisions and actions of their Secular leaders.

Anybody ever hear of Ashkenazi Jews? They are the ones running the show in Israel - and they have been since about 1949, planting the seeds for 1948 MUCH earlier...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

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Mike Ware's avatar

Yup!

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Craig, I have had the same experience. He is a sociopath.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

100% with you on the Israel & war thing - but looking back on JFK, WMD. 9/11, Tuskegee, Operation Mockingbird and on and on and on - I have a hard time putting much Trust in the Intelligence Community or its "leaders" to play it straight with the American people. Lies, Subterfuge and Deception are the very nature of their business.

I write this as someone with a TON of respect for Ms. Gabbard. 𝗜𝗙 she lied about Iran during her confirmation hearings, we are in BIG trouble in a bunch of different areas.

Good to see you, Worm Farmer....

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

If Tulsi's lying then its time to throw in the towel :-)

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Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

I am with you, Mr. Star. If Tulsi is a traitor, we are really in bad shape. May God bless us all.

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dr. b's avatar

A full listen to Tulsi’s hearing does not suggest she’s saying what’s been attributed to her. Even the cherry picked sentences like Irans leader “hasn’t authorized” a bomb doesn’t really say spit. Her comments are being misreported. Besides, what else really matters than the facts: Iran is enriching uranium to a level only used for a bomb, and they have promised repeatedly to use it.

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Egypt Solomon's avatar

Trump ending the Israel-Iran conflict with a phone call is like trying to stop Chernobyl with a roll of duct tape and a golf clap. That ain’t The Art of the Deal, partner, that’s The Art of the Devil’s Down Payment. The man couldn’t even broker peace between his own eyebrows and his tanning bed. We’re talking about a conflict rooted in over 2,000 years of holy grudges, oil-drenched prophecy, and mutually assured obliteration… and he thinks he’s gonna solve it between Diet Cokes on the Mar-a-Lago veranda? Hell, Neville Chamberlain looks like Sun Tzu next to this circus act.

Iran building nukes? Where have I heard that bedtime story before? Oh yeah, Iraq, 2003! Back when Uncle Sam kicked down Saddam’s door over a PowerPoint and a hunch, only to find the only thing nuclear was Hussein’s microwave burrito machine. And now we’re back at it, dusting off the ol’ “Weapons of Mass Delusion” script. Only this time, it’s a different sandpit and a fresh batch of billion-dollar bombs blessed by the Pentagon Pope. Meanwhile, the “deal-maker” dances around like a pageant poodle at an arms dealer convention, trying to sell peace like a used steak knife at a gun show. The only deal he’s ever made is letting Beelzebub run the books while the taxpayers foot the bill. YAHTZEE!

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Gordon's avatar

"The man couldn't even broker peace between his own eyebrows and his tanning bed."..... 😂

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Dorothy's avatar

ES: Ah, the sleeping giant is finally waking up. Well done.

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Egypt Solomon's avatar

Dorothy!

Kid, I’m back! Straight outta the freaking future, and guess what? They got cotton undies up there, real soft, real breathable, wicked comfy. I ain’t talking no synthetic crap, I’m talking legit Southie-grade softness.

The mind control drone thing? Yah, that was a full-blown success. They slapped a Starlink chip in my noggin, next thing I know I’m cruisin’ through a time portal like I’m taking the Green Line to freaking Mars. I been wicked different ever since. 🧠🚀

And oh yeah… them chowderheads? They do end up smashing the big red button. It ain’t pretty, Dorothy, it looked like Fenway got nuked by a Dunkin donut from hell. We’re practically sitting on the edge of the apocalypse, just waiting for the fireworks.

Anyway, just thought I’d give ya the heads up before things go full “Winter blackout.” Stay warm, grab a six-pack, and if you see a drone, don’t wave, they ain’t friendly no more.

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Dorothy's avatar

ES: Thanks for all your advice and information. Absolutely, no waving at drones!

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Fraser M's avatar

Things must be bad if you're driven to standard prose Solomon, but very well put, sir!

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

Solomon's standard prose; describes a lot... and, well... great at describing...

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Israel, Ukraine, Iran, Russia, and China. When I'm measuring threats to my life, liberty, and property none of the aforementioned even hits my radar. Now the U.S. government on the other hand has my radar blinking red :-)

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Here's the elephant in the room no one wants to acknowledge; MAGA and MIGA are incompatible with each other. MAGA has the popular support, but MIGA owns the Senators and Congressmen thanks to AIPAC. 90% or more of the MAGA base wants an end to the forever wars, but the Senators, Congressmen, and POTUS aren't listening. They can't afford to listen :-) This won't end well for any of us.

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Paul Murray's avatar

All government eventually goes bad. Sorry, but it's our turn in the drum. Best always. PM

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Don Hrehirchek's avatar

And Canada on the shirt tails hanging on for dear life. Thanks P.M.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

"May you live in interesting times."

;)

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Don Hrehirchek's avatar

Yes , We all are living in interesting Times. Seems , never a dull moment!

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StarboardEdge's avatar

A good rule of thumb is:

Eat More Bacon.

You'll feel better afterward - every time....

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Paul Murray's avatar

Sad. Best always. PM

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Yup. Everyone can see this but the ideologues :-)

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StarboardEdge's avatar

At least the Bonnerphants have their Fall Guy firmly in place.....

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

I agree, but that would be missing the big picture. Its pretty pathetic than one foreign lobby group can usurp an entire domestic populist movement.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Sheet man - they've been able to usurp much more than that. Between Israel and China, nothing we see or hear is real - everything is manufactured to drive desired outcomes. Unfortunately, those outcomes aim for the complete destruction of the United States as a world power. If you are counting on "politicians" to do the right things to turn this ship around (I know you, personally, are not), forget it. This is the main reason I still support Donald Trump - he is the ONLY one I see that hasn't been fully and totally bought. The fact that he sincerely believes in America First is a bonus.

Sadly, he will not be successful. We are too far gone, the corruption is too deep, the populace is too stupid and the distractions are too great for anyone to make any lasting changes - short of a true, dirty and bloody Revolution...

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Totally agree! Trump was our last and best hope. When Musk walked away from DOGE, I knew it was game over. The corruption he uncovered was so much worse than I ever imagined. Its terminal. What really sucks is, I've paid into this system my entire life. Once its my turn to jump off the hamster wheel the entire system implodes. I'm too old to start all over. However, I still have plenty of game once we get to the bloody revolution phase :-)

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Richard Boaman's avatar

The crap is flying fast and furious today!

Just a couple small points.

1) Iran has NEVER complied with any treaty regarding inspection of nuclear sites. If they were above board they wouldn’t have all their nuclear processing hidden and deeply underground. Those actions can’t possibly instill confidence in anyone.

2) there seem to be a lot of people who say Israel should wait until Iran hits them with a nuclear weapon and THEN hit back. That sounds pretty stupid to me. In any case, if you had even a SHRED of evidence they were close to building a nuclear weapon how long would you wait?

3) most of the world has taken advantage of American generosity since WW2. These countries are friends as long as we pay for dinner.

Screw that.

4) congress is a mixed bag of dishonest criminals and incompetent morons. If Trump gets anything done it will be a miracle.

5) stock markets are about even so far this year. That doesn’t reflect the TURMOIL you leftist are shoving down our throats. Biden had two years of flat markets too.

6) not even 6 months in……

7) WHO ELSE is doing anything?

8) have a nice day.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

Man - hard to pick a favorite out of that litany of FACTS...

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

"But Congress, which controls (or rather, doesn’t control) the budget, doesn’t really want to cut spending. Neither does POTUS. DOGE was just for show."

100% Bill. This is exactly when they lost my support.

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Allan R Camrud's avatar

Contempt: This noun indicates the state of being despised or dishonored. Bill as you can likely ascertain by the comments many people of much lower intelligence and insight have contempt for the author of these notes... I suggest a fact check, a apology and a bit of humility. My goal is to find the good in the man as I measure his words intent, what exactly is yours?

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StarboardEdge's avatar

He seems at best rudderless, at worst intentionally deceptive. But why? And who would have ever thought we would end up here after reading him for years?

What a disappointment...

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Craig Whitfield's avatar

Here's another unfortunate fact the warmongers like to ignore. The American support for project Israel will die with the Boomers. The 40 and under crowd wants nothing to do with Israel. Don't believe me. Let's see what happens if AIPAC pressures POTUS to put troops on the ground in Iran. This will make the Vietnam War protests look like child's play. This will be an issue both MAGA and the Marxists will get behind. Yes, AIPAC has the money and owns the Senators and Congressmen. When you consistently and defiantly ignore the popular will you'll soon find the rope :-)

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StarboardEdge's avatar

NAILED IT, Craig. Regarding "support" for Israel: the Boomers are ALL IN, GenX'ers like me are kinda on the fence, Millennials turn more to the negative side, and GenZ'ers don't want anything to do with the country. This DEFINITELY portends major changes in how the US treats Israel in the near future.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-generation-gap-in-opinions-toward-israel/

There's this really old Book that mentions how the whole world will turn against Israel in the last days. TickTock...

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

Sure...manufacturing jobs lost 8000 positions... this number equates to a posting error... it is barely notable... the U.S. employs over 12 million manufacturing workers!

Utilities, finance, healthcare, hospitality and "other" service employment is up!

Government employment down.

Total employment is a record levels...

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StarboardEdge's avatar

STOP WITH THE FACTS!! This is BPR....

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William Dickie's avatar

Bill, it’s OK to not think that Trump wants to balance the budget we all know that’s very very important but the nonsense about Iran for 46 years has been a detriment to the Middle East! Forget about Iran let that play out however, it’s going to play out you’re not gaining any points by commenting on Iran let’s leave that one alone ! WD

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Scott Bernstein's avatar

Bill, I think you are a bright guy. But when it comes to the middle east you need to take a long walk in the dessert for some time of personal reflection. Of course, Israel has nukes. Did that deter them? No, because the REGIME prefers death to life for a noble cause. Why would a country with a landmass 79 larger than Israel and far away decide to target Israel, a spot so small you can barely write ISRAEL on the map? Why? Was it because they needed Israel's huge depository or oil or rare earth minerals? Is it because they felt threatened by Israel? Is it because they didn't want Israel on their border? Oh, that's right they aren't on the border. Is it because they have this enormous population that allows them to have a huge standing army? No, no and no. We often hear that Iran attacks Israel because it hates western values. That isn't the real reason. The Regime in Iran hates Jews and any country that allows Jews to safely exist in their country is on their hit list. The most apartheid nation on earth without a single Jew, no surprise, hates Jews.

So why all this effort to build a nuke? It certainly isn't to bomb Ireland. Iran isn't selfish. The goal has been to build a bomb for the purpose of arming their proxies. Keep in mind their hatred knows no bounds. They have and continue to be involved in massacring Moslem's that just don't happen to be in their tribe.

Please be very cautious when overlaying your western values over a middle eastern hyper religious culture. It's okay if you don't understand it. I didn't subscribe because you were an expert on the middle east. Stick with what you know best.

Scott Bernstein -- yep you read that last name correctly and your assumption is probably correct:)

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Jimm Roberts's avatar

Regardless your opinions about Iran, I trust you put the interests of our country ahead of Israel's.

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Len Gonchar's avatar

I suppose Death to America has no real meaning to Mr. Bill

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Tom Tiede's avatar

Another missive from Bill slanted and

deceptive, and nearly as snobbish as those that claim that scientific evidence overwhelmingly proves humans responsible for climate change.

This portion from Tulsi Gabbard in March 2025…Bill conveniently not mentioning March 2025….:

‘We continue to assess Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and that Supreme Leader Khamenei has not reauthorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003.’

Bill uses that statement in concluding:

“ But everybody knows Iran poses no real nuclear threat. Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard:”

“But everybody knows”….apparently Gabbard mentioning continued reassessment, certainly a responsible statement by the DNI, didn't cause Bill to look at any subsequent events.…like an IAEA report May 31st 2025….obviously Bill selectively choosing only statements, without context, to move forward with furthering the strength of TDS symptoms.

Here’s what ChatGPT has to say about the IAEA report:

ChatGPT:

The most recent assessment of Iran’s uranium enrichment comes from a confidential IAEA report dated May 31, 2025, released to member states and discussed publicly in early June.

📌 Key findings:

• Iran’s stockpile of 60% enriched uranium has surged to approximately 408.6 kg, marking about a 50% increase, which could theoretically fuel up to 9 nuclear weapons if further enriched to 90% .

• The IAEA flagged Iran’s failure to fully explain uranium traces at three undeclared sites, calling this non‑compliance with its safeguards .

• The agency described the buildup of highly enriched uranium by a non-nuclear-weapon state as a “serious concern” .

• Additionally, Iran strongly contested the report’s conclusions, dismissing them as “pretext for political maneuvering” while emphasizing its continued IAEA cooperation .

Parameter Status as of May 31, 2025

60% Enriched Uranium Stockpile ~408.6 kg (↑50%) — enough for ~9 bombs

Declared Safeguards Non‑compliant due to undeclared sites

IAEA Concern “Serious concern” over enrichment levels

Iran’s Response Rejected findings; emphasizes cooperation

Summary

• This report triggered an IAEA censure by its Board—the first in over 20 years .

• The public release of the report sparked renewed diplomatic efforts and raised the urgency for robust oversight in any future nuclear agreement .

The IAEA’s May 31, 2025 report marks a significant escalation:

• Iran’s highly enriched uranium stockpile is alarmingly close to weapons-grade.

• The IAEA’s inability to fully verify Iran’s activities due to undeclared sites is a major red flag.

• While Iran maintains it remains peaceful and cooperative, global concern—and diplomatic tensions—are at a high point.

Doing any amount of winnowing and sifting is easy if you already know what you want your readers to “believe”. Hopefully, Bonner Research is not looking just to make us believe anything presented by providing sloppy information. Further, wouldn’t it be nice if Bill would try to clarify Trump’s recent comments about Gabbard’s March 25 statement. Of course, he would do so only to distance the DNI from our President. Not unlike other media selling the “Everyone Knows” theme.

Just in case Bill needs a little help for his next missive: From Axios…

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/17/trump-gabbard-iran-nuclear-weapon-testimony?utm_source=chatgpt.com

But don't look for Bill needing anything….you can’t sell a clunker by looking under the hood and starting the engine.

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StarboardEdge's avatar

"Bonner Research is not looking just to make us believe anything presented by providing sloppy information."

That is PRECISELY what Bill has been trying to do for the past 14-18 months...

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Tom Tiede's avatar

Yeah, exactly. But the Bill stuff is the so called main entree...and we are given a daily dose…even to share with others??….My fear is that the sloppy research reflective from Bill’s missives, and conclusions like Iran was in compliance with nuclear site inspections( see IAEA Alarm Bell report) and total abandonment of a Nuke program will taint the work of Dyson & Dennings …. Who to me are still the mainstays for my reason to subscribe.….They are the part of the Bonner Research brand that as of yet produces product worth the read. IMHO, suspect…don’t know…that Joel Bowman left sometime ago due to conflict with the Bill “taint” on factual political commentary. Brand corruption at work.

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Gmoney's avatar

Interesting thought TT...I was thinking the same thing about Joel's departure... : / hmmm...

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