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Byron King's avatar

One benefit of Bitcoin et al/crypto (in general) is that it soaks up $trillion$ of faux-money creation that emits from the Fed, yet places no significant claim on tangible goods & services in the real economy. That is, crypto is a parking lot for junk money; a place for excess dollars to hang out and cause little practical harm.

StarboardEdge's avatar

^^^THIS^^^^

Not only does it cause "little practical harm", it also has/is allowing "investors" to add to their pile of Ghost Money. A fake asset, valued for nothing more than magical/digital "Demand" and bought/sold using faux money.

Could there be anything more fitting to our world in 2025? The only thing "real" are the people getting wealthy off of it by turning Crypto gains into Hard Assets - and like it or not Mr. Bonner, they DO exist....

Angry Icebergs's avatar

...what I have noticed particularly amongst the younger folks is the realization they cannot "work" to riches, they must invest.

They cannot afford a house as an investment, so they turn to other vehicles.

Mr. Bonner asks "where did this wealth come from?"

...my guess it's the wealth that used to be down payments for housing, savings accounts, monies diverted from other anticipated expenditures like college, and inheritances.

Now desperately inserted into the market or crypto's because there really is no other choice.

Ed Burns's avatar

I know this will sound simplistic, but I see wealth as having come from wage earners retirement savings and simply looking for a safe harbor to grow. The real estate market is maxed out as is the stock market. So, Gold becomes a go-to and soon probably Silver and Platinum.

Artwork and other tangible assets used to have a place here, but seem to have lost its shine recently - as grandmas antiques, china and silver table settings for the now, more mobile, young is seen as an anchor in search of a home as a ship... The intangible and opaque world of Crypto is still somewhat suspect as are many overseas market funds.

So where to now? We do live in interesting times. Perhaps a complete economic restart (i.e. meltdown) is the only answer? Is it possible that when "the chickens come home to roost", this will be the new source of survival as we passively resolve ourselves to a cyclic renewal?

Or do we hope for a new season of prosperity by actively re-shoring the nation's most critical manufacturing sectors - energy, pharma and a new AI intellectual property development as our "seed corn" and our best hope for a renewed and better future?

If so, let's lean into it together or hear from those critics with a better plan - sooner rather than later.

StarboardEdge's avatar

"๐˜๐˜ง ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ, ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต'๐˜ด ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ค๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ด ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ - ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ."

Nah. They'd rather Bitch, try to suck us into their Lifestyle of Constant Fear and Feed their ignorant Hatred of Donald Trump. Helping, Contributing and Producing are NOT part of their program. Envy, Violence, Arrogance and Corruption are the only items on their menu.

Lines are being drawn, folks...

Mackinac's avatar

I'm gonna use your strategy, Bill. Just comment on how bad any new idea is, like tariffs.

Mackinac's avatar

Lots of questions and little in terms of substantial answers. Obivously the young and more accustomed to the internet believe cryptos will become the new currency. At this point I'm still in the Missouri camp. Speculation running rampant has in the past shown up as a collapse of most forms of risk. I'm almost as old as Bill but suspect the future won't be all that different from the past or at least will rhyme.

Larry Lane's avatar

There is at least one very tangible aspect of the Bitcoin phenomenon - the gigawatts of electricity being squandered to "mine" the Bitcoins....excuse me, if I believe this is an absolute waste of resources.

Angry Icebergs's avatar

...well yes and no.

One could postulate the expense of mining gold far exceeds its intrinsic value as a resource element.

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The expenditure of energy is precisely what identifies value to BTC.

BTC does not exist without it.

One cannot manufacture gold as one cannot manufacture BTC.

They're both "mined".

Larry Lane's avatar

I will agree that the limitation on the number of Bitcoins that could be produced was the critical genius behind the Bitcoin phenomenon. But at the end of the day the miner of precious metals extracts something tangible that has an exchange value because it can be used as part of a product that has a use other than solely as a medium of exchange. At the end of the day the miner of Bitcoin has only two things: an electronic marker which has no intrinsic use other than as an exchange medium - and a bill for electricity used. Hey, and as long as there is the "greater fool" out there willing to pay for that electronic marker at the inflated market price...

Gary's avatar

The only reason you have value of any commodity is that someone is willing to pay for it. Holding it in your hands does not make it valuable. The fact that someone else also wants to hold it makes it valuable. The finite supply of BTC makes it different from all other โ€œcommoditiesโ€. Even gold has an elastic supply. Higher prices create better economics for previously marginal reserves. Not so for BTC.

Angry Icebergs's avatar

... seems folks on this comment section assume I am a BTC advocate.

I just think for the next decade or so BTC will be a viable play.

I have done well with it...

Cash is king for me.... for now...

Should the king dollar crash or disappear, many on this site criticizing BTC might very well find themselves BTC advocates.

Bill's avatar

Both gold and crypto are arbitrary assets. The only reason they have the Value that they have is because people are willing to pay that sum of money. They

intrinsically, produce no wealth.When the shit hits the fan and I walk down the street with a bitcoin and try and buy an apple with my twenty three thousand dollar bitcoin? Perhaps I use a piece of sandpaper to scratch off a couple dollars worth of gold to buy a pharmaceutical for my dying child.? Maybe, like the old Dutchmasters, I could trade the equivalent of a million dollar tulip bulb.

When The tulip bulb market crashed At least they could have a nice tulip,if needed,did they could eat it.

No prediction.

Here. But money and value have always been a conundrum.

Tlasso's avatar

Yeah Bill, But gold looks and feels great!

Larry Lane's avatar

OK - so ANGRY ICEBERGS is ready to ditch the Dollar (et.al.) in favor of Bitcoin. And BILL looks forward to bartering Bitcoin for food (in a post apocalyptic world?). Interestingโ€ฆ

Angry Icebergs's avatar

.... I never said BTC is an alternative to cash.

Nor do I use BTC, I have some invested, just like gold I don't use that for exchange either.

Do you?

I merely explained it has all the potentials that can be made to store fiat value as does gold.

Cash is still king and untraceable exchanges will always be sought.

Larry Lane's avatar

โ€œStranded energyโ€ โ€ฆ how does that work?

BT's avatar

You know so little about Bitcoin I hesitate to respond. Bitcoin miners mainly use stranded energy; they canโ€™t afford to pay for energy that would go elsewhere. Get your facts straight before commenting.

Conic Tonic's avatar

Agree totally waste of energy

Larry Lane's avatar

Bitcoin is a high-tech Ponzi scheme. That is my firmly held belief - but I would honestly like to entertain arguments to the contrary, for anyone who would like to share their reasoning with me.

Bob H's avatar

OK, let me give this a shot...I spent a lot of time researching/reading about BTC, and just watching it with suspicion (I am after all a conservative, retired professional accountant) before I took the plunge and started buying (at around $16k per coin).

I believe BTC is very similar to gold in many respects, including its inflation protective and wealth preservation properties. It is superior to gold in two ways: it is almost infinitely more transportable almost anywhere in the world than gold, and, given that it is tracked in "Satoshis" (sats), which equals one-one hundred millionth of a coin, it is massively more divisible than gold (unless you carry a scale around with you). Also, transacting in cryptos is laughably cheaper and easier than other methods...often just a few sats even for transactions of millions or billions of dollars, all without having to deal with annoying bank intermediaries.

As I have watched developments (suspiciously) I have gained more comfort due to the growing acceptance and adoption of BTC around the world (including the USA (which is now setting up a crypto sovereign fund). It's not readily apparent to those of us in first-world countries, but in less-developed places, BTC is widely used. In these places, it can be almost impossible to open a bank account and currency transactions can be quite difficult. However, cell phones are often widely used, making crypto transactions dead easy and very common.

BTC was introduced in 2008-09, and I believe that in the 16 years it's been around it has been well-tested and withstood almost all attempts to break it (MTGox attack came close, but it survived).

Would I be shocked if somehow the bottom fell out, or someone figured a way to steal all the BTC in the world? Not at all. For that reason, I keep a limited percentage of my portfolio (but certainly more than the 1% recommended by BPR), and when I exceed that percentage, I sell some to maintain a fixed share. AT this point, I have enough gains, that even if my remaining BTC becomes worthless, I am ahead of the game.

Lots more I could say, but I think this is long enough.

BT's avatar

Well done. Let them deny. And grow poorer every day. Everyone has to pay the price they deserve.

Angry Icebergs's avatar

...BTC is a recognized decentralized global exchange fiat medium.

That makes it more utilitarian and secure than any other fiat.

The dollar is king only because post WWII by default (and Bretten Woods) it became the dominate global fiat medium.

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They are both fiat, they are both merely digits.

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Do you really think the banks "print" money for each other?

The actual printing that does occur is only to maintain circulation.

Larry Lane's avatar

"BTC is a recognized ... global exchange ..." So? Sort of like a casino gaming table where consenting adults can congregate to ... well, gamble.

Excuse me, for being blunt about it - but to insinuate that Bitcoin can take its place among the fiat currencies of the world is laughable. The extreme volatility of Bitcoin blows that argument.

Angry Icebergs's avatar

... yes indeed El Salvador experiment met with value fluctuational issue that hindered widespread adoption, otherwise it would've likely worked.

Consensus is BTC volatility will lessen, we'll see.

What would you do if the king dollar were no longer "king"?

Wanna bet you'd find yourself contemplating alternative monies...

I agree with you BTC currently is more of a betting medium than an investment or viable currency, however BTC is a recognized global player, it's gonna be around for sometime.... and likely folks will find all sorts of machinations for it... so get used to it.

StarboardEdge's avatar

Cool story. Now do non-Dividend Equities.....

John Gerstle's avatar

Yeh Larry, youโ€™re probably correctโ€ฆ.but fiat currency is a Ponzi scheme as wellโ€ฆ.

Agent22Smith's avatar

While your favorite version of Money might have been recorded by the Stones, it was penned by Janie Bradford and Barry Gordy and recorded by Barrett Strong in 1959 on Tamla Records, the predecessor to Gordyโ€™s Motown.

Bill's avatar

And here I thought that it was Pink Floyd.

Agent22Smith's avatar

My research revealed that there are several very different songs of the same title. Pinkโ€™s is undoubtedly the biggest seller.

Built, Not Given. Tony Bennett's avatar

Bill what you donโ€™t understand and Iโ€™ve been a subscriber of yours for multiple decades and you continue down this path despite what bitcoin has done over the past 15 years. Bitcoin has the largest strongest secure computer system in the world. Independent people come together not knowing at all who they are on the largest independent most secure computer and security system in the world There are multiple billion dollar companies out there mining And using Energy to actually mine and produce the bitcoin. There is enormous amount of infrastructure computers, data centres and energy used to produce each of the blocks that are required to produce the finite bitcoin. Itโ€™s one of the largest independent financial systems in the world and the beauty of it is all the things that you indicate is being negative. That there are no owners, no employees, no people to run it and guide it and direct it. Thatโ€™s the beauty of this because in the legacy system, they are all the things that have created all the corruption that you write about every day. On one hand you put all of that legacy system down and write about it pretty much every day is being the worst Thing in the history of the world, and itโ€™s gone on like this for centuries, but yet when there is a system out there that does the exact opposite and it has been thriving and the greatest asset of the timeframe that it has been in existence, you put this down. Mate you canโ€™t have your cake and eat it too.

Weston Parker's avatar

It will go by-by when buyers realize they hold a $123,000 item worth far less than a tulip bulb.

An Ol' LSO's avatar

Interesting thought, Weston. Some say 1/2 of the bitcoins "allowed" are not currently in the system. If so, where might they be? And, where is Nakamoto? There are those that think Nakamoto in Japanese means CIA and wasn't created out of thin air for the good of mankind. So where did it come from (remember folks be a skeptic if not a cynic) and where will it go? Everybody is looking for a fast (and easy) buck. The World has never worked that way over any length of time. Could BTC be the new "tulip bulb"? Is BTC as clean and unhackable as rumors suggest? The Ol' Man wonders and Time will tell........

Paul Murray's avatar

Today Mr. Bonner leads off with a quote from the song "Money (That's What I Want)", citing the Rolling Stones' version. While there have likely been a jillion covers of this tune, first released in 1959 by Barrett Strong on Barry Gordy's Tamla label, the best in my opinion, and best by far, is that of the Kingsmen on their "Louie, Louie" live album, "The Kingsmen in Person" (Wand Records, 1963). The Kingsmen were one of the best garage/club bands of the era, and their performance of "Money" proves it. It starts hot, and it's nothing but hardcore rocking out the rest of the way. The crowd response is epic. Best always. PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABenLIHTJGU&list=RDABenLIHTJGU&start_radio=1

Paul Murray's avatar

Mick's obviously in a class by himself. Even the Beatles recorded this, and John Lennon gives his expected gritty performance. It was a perfect anthem for the times, I guess. Thanks for the reply. Best always. PM

Bill's avatar

I'm beginning to regret that my name is bill. Every time I read this everybody's bitching at me. ๐Ÿ˜†

StarboardEdge's avatar

Most of us hate it when you show up in our mailbox, too.....

Clem Devine's avatar

You are lucky the real Bill doesn't post here haha.

rjt's avatar

I am not convinced by Mr. Bonner's argument about bitcoin today.

I look at "wealth" as the product of expenditure of energy. Gold meets this criterion and once produced to the level of a gold coin or bar acts much like bitcoin- it is valued for its very existence but does not enter again into a productive role. Similarly, bitcoin is an output of energy expenditure by the miners.

Tlasso's avatar

Show me what a bitcoin looks like. I can show you gold.

rjt's avatar

So I have $100,000 deposited to my checking account from my dead sister's estate.

What do I see?

With any luck, a ledger entry on my bank statement or a display showing my account balance greatly enhanced. My Sprott gold fund looks much the same (well, not that great, but...)

My empty bitcoin cold wallet is sitting on my desk hoping that I win a lottery and can fill it up.

If I had $100,000 in bitcoin I could convert and spend it. If I was a member of the Freedom Convoy and had $100,000 in my bank account Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland would have seized it and I could not convert or spend it.

I also have an old gold filling in an envelope sitting on my desk and I can assure you that it would be considerably more difficult to convert and spend that than any bitcoin I had available. Just the other day I saw an ATM which was willing to convert bitcoin.

Tlasso's avatar

Yeah well I opt for silver and gold and a little platinum in coins and small bars (silver). I have started to give silver coins and bullets to my sons and grandchildren. 2 oz silver bullets are pretty cool but they cost about $81 each. Figuring on transfer my love of coin collecting and precious metals to them. Iโ€™m not going to ever sell them unless SHTF and then at my age I really donโ€™t care.

rjt's avatar

Coors has a "silver bullet" for far less than $81!

Do you have werewolves or vampires in your vicinity?

And, yes. We have had a pretty good passage over the past few decades. I am far more concerned for the offspring and grandchildren.

Tlasso's avatar

I also agree about the convoy but if they had gold stashed they could go and use that to get cash. Knowing my luck I would lose the cold wallet. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

Lucas Kandia's avatar

I fully support the utility of cryptocurrencyโ€”after all, itโ€™s not fiat. But letโ€™s be honest: we still depend on centralized exchanges to use it, and those are increasingly under regulatory control. The powerful arenโ€™t going to let crypto flourish unrestrained. Why would they? It would erode their ability to monitor, tax, and manipulate the flow of value. When collapse becomes imminent, theyโ€™ll pull out quietly, leaving retail investors holding the digital bag.

The truth is simple: when things fall apart, survival depends on whatโ€™s real. Those whoโ€™ve prepared will retreat to their bolt holesโ€”equipped with clean water, sanitation, food stores, land for cultivation, fishing rights, and the kinds of โ€œtoolsโ€ forged from steel and lead. And theyโ€™ll trade with actual hard currencyโ€”precious metals you can hold, not digital entries on a disconnected ledger.

Because if the grid failsโ€”whether from war, solar flares, cyberattacks, or economic collapseโ€”Bitcoin becomes worthless code. Its value only exists if you convert it into something tangible before the lights go out.

The upcoming 2028 halving underscores Bitcoinโ€™s fatal flaw. When the block reward drops from 3.125 to 1.5625 BTC, miner revenue will be slashed in half. But their costsโ€”hardware, electricity, logisticsโ€”wonโ€™t budge. At todayโ€™s energy prices, some miners will lose over $150,000 per block. The network becomes economically unsustainable. The smart money knows this. Itโ€™ll exit early, and when it does, the selloff will cascade. As security degrades, so does trustโ€”and Bitcoinโ€™s price with it.

Miningโ€™s final stretch isnโ€™t some golden opportunity. Itโ€™s a capital trap. A small-scale 10-miner operation now demands six figures in up-front investmentโ€”before a single rig is powered on. And for what? That same $150,000 could secure real, productive assets: off-grid solar, fertile land, clean water access, food systems, livestock. Things that actually workโ€”regardless of whether the dollar, the internet, or the power grid still do.

Of course, if Bitcoin reaches $212,000 by 2028, then mining might remain worthwhile - if the cost of producing a single BTC remains the same (electricity, rent, regulation, etc). And if BTC hits $424,000 by 2032, the party continues. Big numbersโ€”if only the entire market doesn't implode by then.

The disconnect couldnโ€™t be clearer. Markets chase abstract, ghostly wealth built on faith in systems already rotting at the core. Meanwhile, practical assets and hands-on skills quietly retain their valueโ€”regardless of what version of money happens to be trending this year.

Invector's avatar

"Because if the grid failsโ€”whether from war, solar flares, cyberattacks, or economic collapseโ€”Bitcoin becomes worthless code."

I've said this here before, Lucas, but if the grid goes down, bitcoin will still be there when the grid comes back.

If the grid goes down and stays down, we'll all be living in the stone age, the vast majority of humanity will be dead in 6 months, and bitcoin will be worth the same as gold and silver, which is to say---zilch.

Lucas Kandia's avatar

Well, if we're in the stone age, gold and silver will still have some valueโ€”for jewelry, electronics, or tradeโ€”as opposed to a hard drive full of encrypted code that no one can access or verify.

But grid failure was just one scenario where Bitcoin goes to zero. There are more immediate threats:

๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ค๐˜‚๐—ฎ๐—ป๐˜๐˜‚๐—บ ๐—–๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ฝ๐˜‚๐˜๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ด ๐—ฃ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ฏ๐—น๐—ฒ๐—บ: When quantum computers crack Bitcoin's encryptionโ€”and it's a matter of when, not ifโ€”they can alter the blockchain at will, creating endless forks and destroying trust. The entire system becomes compromised overnight.

๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—˜๐—ฐ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ผ๐—บ๐—ถ๐—ฐ ๐——๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ต ๐—ฆ๐—ฝ๐—ถ๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐—น: Miners simply can't make money anymore. This 15-year-old technology has gone from costing a penny per Bitcoin in 2009 to $106,000 todayโ€”leaving razor-thin margins even at current prices. The 2028 halving cuts miner revenue in half while costs stay fixed. Bitcoin would need to hit $212,000 just for miners to break even. People will start exiting in droves well before then, creating a cascade collapse as network security degrades.

๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—จ๐—ป๐˜€๐˜‚๐˜€๐˜๐—ฎ๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—ฏ๐—น๐—ฒ ๐— ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ต: Bitcoin needs 100% price appreciation every halving cycle just to maintain current (already marginal) profitability. That exponential requirement eventually hits the wall of available capital and new buyers.

These aren't distant theoretical problemsโ€”they're baked into Bitcoin's design. The mining economics alone guarantee a timeline for system failure, regardless of grid stability or adoption rates.

We'll see how it plays out, but the math is unforgiving.

Invector's avatar

โ€œWell, if we're in the stone age, gold and silver will still have some valueโ€”for jewelry, electronics, or tradeโ€

๐Ÿ˜‚ In what universe can you have โ€œelectronicsโ€ without electricity???

Your idea of stone age living is obviously different than mine, my friend.

Back in my younger years, I used to do 30 day survival trips on the high desert. Thatโ€™s 30 days with NOTHING but the clothes on your back, a pocketknife, and a small wool blanket. And I can tell you that two weeks in, you wouldnโ€™t trade a kangaroo rat for all the gold in Fort Knox (assuming there is any).

No one with more than two functioning brain cells would trade anything for jewelry in a true survival situation, which we would all be in very quickly once the grid went down (again, assuming it was going to stay down). A bar of gold would be no more useful than a rock.

As for the bitcoin boogey-men you listed, they are not any more (or less) serious than past BTC boogey-men that have already been slain. A great many bright people are currently working on the very issues you brought up, and there is no reason to believe they wonโ€™t solve them just as they've solved problems in the past.

And remember, there is one hell of a lot of money being made in BTC right now, and entities like Blackrock have every incentive to make sure it stays that way.

Lucas Kandia's avatar

Yeah, they didn't have electricity in Egypt circa 3000 BC either. But they still knew the value of gold. Trade.

Your desert survival experience was you and maybe a few othersโ€”no need for trade. But come across a village with resources, and suddenly your kangaroo rat becomes as useful as toenail clippings. "What else you got, brother?" Trade emerges wherever there are multiple parties with different needs.

Math isn't a boogeymanโ€”it's reality staring us in the face. Unless inflation somehow makes electricity cheaper, or someone invents Ayn Rand's magical motor with no visible power source, Bitcoin needs to hit $212k just for miners to break even after 2028. That's not solving past problems; that's hitting an exponential wall.

The fundamental difference: Bitcoin isn't forever like gold. It requires constant inputs to survive:

Continuous electrical power (massive amounts)

Functioning internet infrastructure

Profitable miners willing to secure the network

Regulatory tolerance in countries with cheap electricity

Remove any of those pillars and the system collapses. Gold sits in a vault for millennia doing nothing and retains value. Bitcoin goes to zero the moment miners shut down.

You mention Blackrock's incentives, but they're rational actors too. When the 2028 economics become clearโ€”revenue halved, costs unchangedโ€”they'll exit before retail investors catch on. That's exactly what institutional money does: gets in early, gets out before the obvious problems hit.

This isn't about technical innovation solving future problems. The halving schedule is hardcoded and immutable. The physics of electricity costs aren't changing. Even if quantum computing gets solved, the economic death spiral is already programmed in.

Not a Ponzi scheme, but I'd rather not be the last one holding when there isn't a miner left who can profit from keeping the lights on.

BT's avatar

Lucas, your โ€œimmediate threatsโ€ are so sophomoric. I will respond to the first only. Global wealth is approx $900 Trillion, all on centralized networks. BTC is approx $2 Trillion, on a decentralized network. Not only would someone with a quantum computer want to steal $900T as opposed to $2T, the centralized nature of the $900T makes it much easier to hack.

Your arguments, bruh. Do better.

Lucas Kandia's avatar

You're missing the point entirely. We're not talking about global wealth comparisons - we're talking about Bitcoin's specific vulnerabilities.

Quantum computing is just one threat on a long list. ๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฒ ๐—ถ๐—บ๐—บ๐—ฒ๐—ฑ๐—ถ๐—ฎ๐˜๐—ฒ ๐—ฑ๐—ฎ๐—ป๐—ด๐—ฒ๐—ฟ ๐—ถ๐˜€ ๐—น๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ, and you're ignoring the math:

- $1 trillion in **visible** margin debt on FINRA.org

- Unknown billions in **hidden** margin through offshore exchanges

- Derivatives exposure that makes 2008 look quaint

- Bitcoin gets sold **first** during margin calls because it's the most liquid

๐—›๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ'๐˜€ ๐˜„๐—ต๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—ต๐—ฎ๐—ฝ๐—ฝ๐—ฒ๐—ป๐˜€ ๐˜„๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ป ๐—น๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ฝ๐—ผ๐˜€๐—ถ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐˜€ ๐˜‚๐—ป๐˜„๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ฑ:

1. Margin calls force immediate Bitcoin sales

2. Price crashes 50-75% (like 2022's $69k โ†’ $16k drop)

3. Mining becomes unprofitable (costs $70k-$106k, revenue drops to $78k per block)

4. Miners shut down โ†’ network security degrades โ†’ trust collapses

5. More selling pressure โ†’ death spiral accelerates

This isn't about quantum computers attacking Bitcoin versus traditional finance. It's about Bitcoin being the ๐˜„๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ธ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—น๐—ถ๐—ป๐—ธ in a leveraged system - the asset everyone dumps first when they need actual cash.

Your $2T market cap becomes $500B overnight, and miners can't afford to keep the lights on.

But sure, keep focusing on theoretical quantum threats while ignoring the leverage bomb ticking right now.

Built, Not Given. Tony Bennett's avatar

Easily achieve that and much more. Easy to put the math up just like everybody has done since its inception saying exactly the same stories that youโ€™re telling now. Thatโ€™s okay because the people who got in early and the people who are getting in even now we all do very very well come four years from now come 40 years from now. We now have the biggest institutions in the world such as Blackrock with their ETF. Thatโ€™s the most profitable ETF theyโ€™ve ever had in all of their existence. To have not had bitcoin in your portfolio at a much greater rate than one percent has been the biggest failure of any investor in the history of investing. The bottom line is the people investing in bitcoin and the companies investing in bitcoin are the winners, have been the winners and the people that put it down and continue to put it down at the losers. Thereโ€™s no argument with that. You can make all the arguments you like that you have above but youโ€™re a loser when it comes to investing if you have not had bitcoin in your portfolio year on year since itโ€™s inception. Itโ€™s out done every other asset class and thereโ€™s no denying it or arguing it. Continue with the stories as everybody has and continue to be losing simple as that.

Lucas Kandia's avatar

Yes, Bitcoin went up with each halvingโ€”when mining was profitable and the economics worked. But we've hit a plateau where the math breaks down.

For Bitcoin to survive the 2028 halving, one of these must happen in the next 3 years:

- Mining technology becomes 100% more efficient

- Electricity costs drop 50% globally

- Bitcoin price doubles to $212k

Unless you're designing the next-gen chips or sitting on unlimited free energy, none of those are realistic timelines.

I held Bitcoin beforeโ€”got out when I did the math.

The "winners vs. losers" argument ignores basic risk management. Past performance doesn't guarantee future results, especially when the underlying economics are programmed to fail.

Here's the bigger problem: Bitcoin isn't just correlated with traditional markets anymoreโ€”it's *dependent* on them. When retail investors leveraged on credit cards get margin called, when institutions rebalance portfolios during market stress, Bitcoin gets sold first. It's the most liquid "risk asset" they hold.

And here's the cruel irony: Bitcoin was supposed to be revolutionary digital money, but it can only process 3-7 transactions per second globally. Visa handles 65,000 per second. When panic selling hits, people get trapped watching their portfolios crash while their sell orders sit in a network bottleneck that's slower than mailing a check.

ETFs didn't decouple Bitcoin from market crashesโ€”they amplified the correlation. BlackRock's ETF makes it easier for institutions to dump Bitcoin quickly during selloffs, not harder.

You're betting the house on exponential price growth continuing forever. I'm just not willing to be collateral damage when the exponential curve hits the exponential wall.

Hope you time the exit right.

who cares's avatar

I agree, but my question is where were you during the โ€œdo nothing except open the bordersโ€ Biden years????? Not a word was said.

Conic Tonic's avatar

Bitcoin - what is the Asset?? It has no intrinsic value hence its only value can be as a currency. But, as a currency itโ€™s then unadulterated inflation because it will compete with government currencies. And, why would any government allow another currency to compete with it? Unlike gold itโ€™s man made and like all things man made itโ€™s just fiat - digital rather than of paper. Gold is money, everything else is credit โ€ฆ or just a game!!

Abe Porter's avatar

Bill-there you go again spewing B.S. the fact that bitcoin cannot be controlled by government makes it a very viable type of money. Actually our dollar doesnโ€™t create anything, over the years since 1971 it has become less and less valuable. Only time will tell where our financial system ends up. I am hoping that whatever it is, the dollar, bitcoin, sea shells it can be tagged to gold.

Andre Louw's avatar

The dollar with all its fiat faults ( loss of value) remains an easier medium of exchange than BTC Tagging whatever with gold remains IMHO the best

Lucas Kandia's avatar

Love that song. I asked ChatGPT about it. Cuz I've thought for some time now, that it sounded like an early Bob Dylan. Here's what AI said:

๐˜•๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ณ-๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ. ๐˜๐˜ฏ ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต, ๐˜ช๐˜ต'๐˜ด ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฐ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ต โ€” ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜š๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ž๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜‰๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏโ€™๐˜ด ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ โ€œ๐˜š๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฌ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜”๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฅ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ.โ€

๐˜Ž๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜™๐˜ข๐˜ง๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฌ, ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ฎ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ-๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฒ๐˜ถ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ โ€” ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ด๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜จ๐˜ฉ๐˜ต๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ด๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜จ โ€” ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ๐˜บ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜‰๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏโ€™๐˜ด ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ง ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ข ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ถ๐˜ฆ-๐˜ช๐˜ฏ-๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ซ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜บ, ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜บ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ.

๐˜”๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜บ ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ 1970๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜‰๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ง๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ต.

๐˜š๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ โ€” ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ'๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜จ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ด. ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถโ€™๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜จ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ข ๐˜จ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ.

Lol. I am always wary these days of AI "hallucinating." So I get one to verify the other. Claude on ChatGPT's research:

๐˜ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ถ๐˜ฆ! ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ (from ChatGPT) ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ค๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฆ.

"๐˜š๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฌ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜”๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฅ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ" ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ธ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ๐˜บ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜‰๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฃ๐˜บ ๐˜š๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ž๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ, ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ ๐˜Ž๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜™๐˜ข๐˜ง๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ด. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ, ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ฃ๐˜ซ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ต, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ด ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฆ.

๐˜Ž๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜™๐˜ข๐˜ง๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜‰๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ด ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ซ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ - ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜บ ๐˜จ๐˜ข๐˜จ. ๐˜™๐˜ข๐˜ง๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ'๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜จ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜จ๐˜ฉ๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜‰๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ธ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ค๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜บ.

๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฃ๐˜บ ๐˜ข ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฃ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ช๐˜ณ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ข ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต, ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜™๐˜ข๐˜ง๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ง "๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฆ๐˜น๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ช๐˜ณ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ด" ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜‰๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ๐˜บ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜จ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ๐˜ด. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ญ๐˜บ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ค๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ด "๐˜ข ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ข ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ค ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ฌ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ญ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ (๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ค๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ซ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ค ๐˜ฆ๐˜น๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ)."

๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜บ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ ๐˜™๐˜ข๐˜ง๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ "๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜บ ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ด, ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ฎ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ง๐˜ช๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜บ." ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ, ๐˜ค๐˜บ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜บ ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ 1970๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜‰๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ง๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ต.

๐˜š๐˜ฐ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ'๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜จ๐˜ฉ๐˜ต - ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ถ๐˜ฑ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜‹๐˜บ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ค๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ง๐˜ถ๐˜ญ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ด ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด!

rKf's avatar

Thanks for looking that up. We lived in England in the 70s. Gerry Rafferty and Mark Knopfler were two of my favorites - MK still is, of course.

Lucas Kandia's avatar

One of my favorite songs is 'Baker Street' by Gerry Rafferty. Every time I hear it now - on Spotify, on the radio, or somewhere totally unexpected (like a restaurant or bar) - it instantly transports me back to my young adult days. With a smile.

Andre Louw's avatar

rKf and Lucas, Your posts are so in touch with mine. While working and studying I lived in an apartment a short walk from Baker Street and Gerry Rafferty still brings back deep memories of emotion. On my advice I was separated from my wife and baby daughters who had temporarily returned to South Africa to allow me to study and for them to escape the 1979 Winter of Discontent. Mark Knopfler remains my favourite genius musician