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Ed Burns's avatar

If those illegal "immigrants" were paying income taxes, your point would be well made, Bill.

Instead, they pay taxes only on their small purchases (sales taxes) as a Social Security number is required in order to file and pay Income taxes.

However, that lack of a SS# didn't seem to work to keep them off the roles of our entitlement system. A system that has been rigged to support the costs for their housing, food, medical care and education. What a deal for them and for their own nations governments as well.

What we actually need is immigration reform. Legalizing a contingent or even a more permanent worker force. A fully legal and meritocratic system that allows for controlling our own borders (remember those pesky terrorists?) rather than importing even more problems,

We do need those that will work with the rest of us to actually "pull the wagon" rather than simply "riding in the wagon" feigning helplessness in order to ride alongside of our own aged and sick, those deserving and in need of our care.

When the Titanic was sinking, any man dressing as a woman in order to take the place in a Lifeboat of an actual woman or child was simply tossed into the Sea. When viewed in this manner, deportation is an act of kindness. Kindness to the illegals and kindness to our own aged and infirm - those to whom we actually owe a full measure of care.

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Denise Gibbons's avatar

Touche Ed - I couldn't agree more! I have never understood why I must support illegal aliens rather than support and help my friends, family, and people I CHOOSE to help - as I, and most Americans I know, have always been taught to help those in need when we are able and have more than we need. I agree that we should focus on legal immigration reform in a way that allows America to continue to offer our exceptional opportunities to anyone who wants to assimilate and become a part of the "American experiment"...

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Ed Burns's avatar

Well, I agree that legal immigration is desirable but not just for anyone that seeks entry. Russia and China could easily do that with few takers but here, the lines for admission would literally wrap around the globe.😜

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Xavier Narutowicz's avatar

“Still, here at BPR, we always look on the bright side.”

I guess mountains are for climbing, very inhospitable at the top. Maybe, a bad metaphor.

Some guy linked three circumstances, a prediction: They would try to assassinate Trump, he would be elected, he would be on his knees, in the Oval Office, praying for enlightenment when the economy collapses.

Kennedy says that when his uncle was president only 2% of Americans had chronic disease. Now, 69%? 70% of youth can’t qualify for military service.

They, Democrats, in real time, and Republicans under their breath excoriate him because they are paid by the pharmaceutical industry.

America has no hope, not because of Trump, but because the nation is a whore.

I like Trump, he does stuff, he does good stuff and unenlightened stuff. It is sort of like Pragmatism, try until it works.

Trump, at his age, jumps inside the fire.

You got to admire the personal grit, the ability to chance it all, the courage, determination.

He got rid of WOKE, DEI and illegals.

Even if the new illegals worked, the 12 to 14 million allowed in under Biden, their share of a boost in SS revenues would be limited. In a welfare state they would always have a negative economic impact; college graduates with 1.6 trillion in debt can’t get good paying jobs. 20% earns 80% of the income so I will guess that 80% of the income earned pays 20% into SS, the working poor pays 80%.

Why is it rich people hate SS?

When I see how they go after Kennedy, how corrupt everything is, I know there is no hope in the short term.

The world is crazy, and people are crazy.

The Big Crash is inevitable, maybe the big boom.

Makes you despair of politics. There must be a bigger reason for living.

No one has imagination; they can’t contemplate the suffering of Russians under Stalin and the barbarism of the Nazis. They don’t even remember the Dust Bowl (a man devised catastrophe) or The Great Depression.

It is always the poor, downtrodden that suffer for the haughty rich, those disillusioned rich.

Life goes on and after it is gone, we call it history.

We must live through it and reap what we have sown.

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Steve L's avatar

“Still, here at BPR, we always look on the bright side.”…😳

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Clem Devine's avatar

Was about to post the same, I splirted my morning coffee everywhere!

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Mike H.'s avatar

Agree with Ed. If we as a country are worried about AI and Industrial Automation eliminating low skill, low wage jobs, why is it a good idea to take in (and support) a massive amount of new low skilled immigrants? To me this does not sound like a good long term strategy even if these low skill workers are somehow not paid in cash and instead are paying into social security and medicare without a social security number?. Why is it a good strategy to add more low skilled workers, looking for work to support themselves and their families in an environment where the government is telling everyone that these low skill jobs are disappearing? The near and longterm cost of subsidizing or providing free healthcare, education, food and housing assistance to these immigrants is likely to far exceed any actual long term taxes paid. Additionally, I thought we have a housing shortage in the USA? Why would it make sense to bring in millions more that require housing when we cannot house our existing citizens, especially if the low skill jobs they will be relying on will be declining in the future?

It appears to me that welcoming massive amounts of low skilled workers when our government is telling us that the AI and Industrial Automation is going to eliminate a huge amount of low skilled jobs, and that we have a housing shortage, is not a formula for solving our longterm social security and healthcare program underfunding, and the math does not appear to be working so far.

In CA, nearly 40% of the state of CA receives FREE state MediCal coverage (an additional 20% are beyond retirement age and receive FREE federal Medicare coverage). That math does not appear to support low wage workers supporting our massive federal and state benefit programs. If 40% of the population in CA receives FREE MediCal coverage because of low or no earnings, I do not see how adding more low wage immigrant earners to this group solves our federal and state benefit underfunding problems. How do low wage earners pay in to support future benefits for others if they cannot support (and actually are USING) those benefits for themselves today? Sounds to me like this strategy will just be increasing that burden.

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Frank Westmoreland's avatar

Mr. Mike H., You nailed it. But the Left desires not only cheap labor but votes; and, 98% of these peasants, if made U.S. citizens, would vote for an endless amount of govt. aid; aka free stuff. Even legal immigrants--from the third world--according to Julia Hahn, a former advisor to Pres. Trump--vote Democrat; i.e., for free stuff because of their cultural background, reinforced over generations in their third-world countries that govt. is good and benevolent. And this is the major reason the countries they flee from, ironically, are third-world. Ms. Hahn indicated that one would think these people, illegal, but especially legal, would see what big govt. has done to their countries; but, rather the Government-as-God thinking has been so ingrained in them over generations that they blame everything else but government for what their countries have become.

And Bill has been telling readers for many years, not just the previous two years, when he went off the reservation, that Japan was going down big time because of its low birth rate and anti-immigrant policies. And admittedly Japan has its problems. But it's the safest first-world country on earth (Switzerland might argue this belief); and, thus doesn't have to spend much on crime control dealing with poor, crime-prone immigrants; and, its homogeneous people trust one another enough to collectively knuckle down when times are tough; and, it continues to find ways to mechanize operations to support its old folks.

And when Bill indicates, as he has for years, unfortunately, that old people are bad, young people are good, he conveniently ignores how money flows through an economic system and the use of technology rather than cheap labor (and the problems people imported to do the cheap labor cause). Of course, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, & Welfare are not helpful in building true wealth. They eventually have the opposite effect. But money flows through an economic system; i.e., from Bill to Anne to Company A to Company C to Steve to Govt. to Company H to Jose to Company Z to LaToya to Govt., etc., etc. And that means that much or at least some of SS in particular flows back from the elderly to their children and grandchildren and other younger relatives well before the elderly die. Also, so many elder Americans have paid-up homes, automobiles, furniture, savings acct.'s, etc. that young Americans use to help them out of tight spots. But the way Bill talks, you would think all of this money and property is hoarded by 100% of the elderly. And this is not even mentioning inheritances after death. Of course, IOUs also flow through an economic system as well as real money, and this has caused chronic inflation, which is bad. But Bill and others should explain money flows, and technology to help the elderly, rather than just this super-shallow Old Folks Greedy & Bad; Young Folks Benevolent & Good nonsense.

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Steve L's avatar

Thank you Frank! Logic, sets and numbers…the basics Mr Bill is losing with each passing day 🤔

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Tom Langdon's avatar

Well maybe drug dealers ARE terrorists. It is not too difficult to make the the case.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Let's say they were transporting illegal drugs and the Feds executed them, wouldn't it be more effective to either arrest them for interrogation to get more info about those behind the operation. Or maybe track them to discover who was receiving the drugs in the US?

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Tom Langdon's avatar

Well taking their lives is very effective and sends a message that can't be manipulated by our liberal courts. If has a fatality about it.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

If we are getting into summary executions, would you like to see the execution of the Sackler Family of Oxycontin fame? Those guys didn't even get prison time. Instead, Trump's buddy Rudy Giuliani helped get them a nice deal allowing them to keep most of the money they made helping to start the current opioid epidemic. In short, shooting up some drug traffickers is just theater.

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

...and that is precisely the point.

Theatre.

Sends a message... a deadly one.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

But just like theater it's all a show. Show be one Banksters who has been locked up for laundering drug money. Without money laundering what are the cartels going to do with their enormous profits? Plus, just do some research on Afghan opium production under the Taliban and during US occupation. Surprise, surprise! Poppy growing increased enormously after US occupation and has declined by 99% in Helmand Province after our departure. Why? No chance a certain organization that once trafficked crack in our inner cities was profiting from the opium trade?

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Don Hrehirchek's avatar

Well some thoughts are out there. I would ask , Who is willing to execute the drug dealers . You know pull the switch or trigger . Are You willing to do this ? I know I would not as I do not think I have the "authority" To do such a thing . My con science would bother Me for the rest of My life. Yes there are people willing to do this , just not Me!

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

... I understand you believe the top tier thugs are driving the drug bonanza.

Certainly, a successful black-market operation requires both executive henchmen and foot soldiers.

Not sure what's wrong with "very publicly" taking out some of the foot soldiers.

It makes life more difficult for the executives, spreading fear throughout the ranks...

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John S's avatar

Having lost a son to an addiction of Oxycontin, - prescribed to him by "doctors" btw- I'm reluctant to answer that one Cartero. But stop the demand for illegal drugs and you'll almost certainly stop the supply. Does anyone seriously think blowing up a few (alleged) drug runners will stop the trade and even if you did and the demand persisted they'd - the users - would just get their supply from elsewhere. We're trying to fix the problem from the wrong end. Why are there so many these days whose lives are so f.....d up? That's the question.

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Steve L's avatar

Very sorry John. 🙏 My condolences and prayers to you and your family. The world was so F…d up before Covid, which magnified it X1000. True conservatives and Americans who worship and love God, family and country could stop this madness in a few months. The opposition, or left, who worship and love government, single parenting and communism, or pure evil and ignorance, are the only thing keeping the nation split. Democrats. The only true terrorist organization that keeps evil and insanity alive for votes 🤔

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Bill's avatar

I really like theater! ! Have you seen Hamilton?

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

So you really must enjoy the current production of "The War on Drugs". It's a gas. We're stopping drug trafficking at the same time we are awarding the lawyer who helped the Sackler Family retain most of their profits from the opioid trade. Much better than the DEI Hamilton nonsense. Or maybe you enjoyed the play "The Warped Speed Experimental MRNA Vaccine". It was all about a dangerous drug that caused multiple injuries and deaths but was sold as our only escape from a "dangerous" virus. A science fiction masterpiece!

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Bill's avatar

Already done

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Jack Grady's avatar

I don’t know but pretty certain that group won’t be doing anything illegal.

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Andre Louw's avatar

Extrajudicial killing is certainly not limited to Russia. We express horror at Navalny's killing yet Obama declares the assassination of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan as justice finally being served.

These "terrorists" were simply fulfilling the US market demand for drugs. Purely a part of the commercial supply chain.

The fact that the US has an enormous appetite for what they supply is irrelevant.

The question to be asked is why this high demand. The Prohibition did little to slate the thirst for alcohol. It made many including JFK's grandfather very rich, many imprisoned and many miserable.

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linda shawler's avatar

We’re in trouble folks and you can keep thinking Trump is pulling us out of it, but it’s probably not gonna happen! So you better be thinking about what you’re gonna do about the fallout!

“The number of unemployed Americans now outnumbers available job openings. Data from July show 7.24 million unemployed Americans compared to 7.18 million job openings, marking the first time that the unemployed have outnumbered the number of available jobs since April 2021. The fact that job openings are now falling below the number of unemployed is a warning that we are entering the next phase of the economic decline into 2026. Around 60% of recent college graduates cannot find employment. Entry-level jobs are being replaced by AI or outsourced overseas and the unemployment rate for those aged 20 to 29 is 7.1% compared to the national average of 4.3%.” Armstrong Economics

Apparently, there was a little ruckus at an elite dinner for Trump‘s upper crust because Scott Bessent threatened to punch Bill Pulte in his effing face! No tension there at all!

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Mackinac's avatar

Pathetic! You forgot to praise Macron and his hospital readiness plan or at least the EU leadership for killing AFD opposition and desire to get their asses kicked by Russia.

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

EU's can't stand AdF... they are different feathers of the same bird.

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Mackinac's avatar

The EU "leaders" want to control the world and they are willing to start WWIII to get their way. Many aren't even elected like Ursula VAn der Leyen. Never won an election.

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Kevin Leader's avatar

EU are WEF affiliated

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

...you allow them way too much leeway.

They are so inept they are a danger unto themselves... and they have no idea.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Personally I would favor a return to pre Woodie Wilson days when the so called illegal drugs were legal and drug addiction like alcohol or gambling addiction was treated as a medical problem. The money saved could be used to provide treatment for those who wanted it. Executing a few traffickers won't change anything. What happened after enemy #1 Pablo Escobar was eliminated? Others jumped in to the business.

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Speaking of wasting taxpayers money, how much is it going to cost to rename the Department of Defense to the Department of War? We are drowning in debt but let's waste money on cosmetics. The good ol' put some lipstick on a pig.

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James F's avatar

I asked the AI Gemini that question. Its reply started: Renaming the Department of Defense to the Department of War could cost taxpayers over $1 billion. This estimate stems from the significant undertaking of updating hundreds of Pentagon agencies, global bases, stationery, and signage.

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linda shawler's avatar

My understanding is this is just supposed to be a secondary name, but I don’t know if that’s right.

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

"If the goal were to accelerate the insolvency of the Social Security system, what would the feds have to do? Get rid of the immigrants, of course."

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Again BPR conflates illegals with legals.

Intentional?

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Why would SS be affected by the omission of “illegals”?

They are not allowed to be employed.

If an illegal paid into SS it was unlawful and likely screwed the legally intended SS recipients tax base.

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Why does BPR propose to "get rid" of legal immigrants?

BPR does not explain...

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Steve L's avatar

Sure Bill explains. He looks at the “bright side” 😊 just from a left angle 🤔

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Angry Icebergs's avatar

...it sure makes one wonder if Mr. Bonner carries prejudice against lighter skin tone patriots?

Does Mr. Bonner think all Caucasians are bigots and want to deport foreigners?

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Pieces of  Eight Insights's avatar

Bill must watch too much CNBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC. Maybe that’s why he’s confused about the difference between illegals and legals and who pays into social security.

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Sluggo's avatar

“…here at BPR, we always look on the bright side.”

BWAAAAHAHAHA…this made me spit my coffee out!

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Jack Pavie's avatar

I think today is Bill's birthday. That's why he's more cheerful and looking on the "bright side" for a change.

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Sluggo's avatar

LOLOLOLOL

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Cartero Atómico's avatar

Then answer these questions: what happened after they took out drug kingpin Pablo Escobar? Why did poppy production increase after the US invasion and is once again decreasing under the Taliban? Couldn't the "drug warriors" in the US government have focused on helping poppy farmers to grow alternative crops? We're there any executions of drug traffickers working for the CIA when they were pumping the ghetto full of crack in order to find their terrorist Contras? And so it goes!

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linda shawler's avatar

“Immigrants of any legal status are required to pay the same taxes as US citizens. Most have income and payroll taxes deducted from their wages. If they purchase a home, or any goods and services, they pay state and local property taxes or sales taxes like others in their community.

US citizens and undocumented immigrants interact differently with the federal tax system in the forms of identification they use to file their taxes each year.

If you are a US citizen, you can use your Social Security number (SSN) to file your income taxes. Immigrants who do not have a valid visa or other proof of legal status are not eligible for an SSN. Instead, these workers can apply through the IRS for an individual taxpayer identification number, or ITIN, to file their taxes. As of January 2021, there were an estimated 5.4 million active ITINs.” Tax Policy Center

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Denise Gibbons's avatar

Then I guess you would agree that there is no reason for ANY tax payer funds to be spent supporting food, shelter, clothing, education, or health care for any "immigrants" who come to America.

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linda shawler's avatar

Well, if immigrants of any legal status are paying the same taxes as US citizens, then I guess they would be contributing to helping fund the immigrants just like the rest of us!

I think there are supposed to be about 11 million illegal immigrants, could be more, could be less, everyone of them is obviously not paying taxes, assuming a number of them are children and others are probably being paid under the table!

It’s a difficult question because having been in the medical field for many years, I know that there are a number of people living here that work quite hard that are not legal!

One thing I do know is that the ability to become a legal citizen is taking entirely too long and is too costly! I know of one person that has paid $22,000 and been on the skids for seven years and is still not through the process! I don’t know if they’re just being taken for a ride to milk them financially, or if it’s really taking this long to get through the process!

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Denise Gibbons's avatar

Agreed that the process to become a legal citizen is too cumbersome - just like most other bureaucratic systems. But the welfare state in America is on the road to collapse, so the last thing we need are more dependents. It is a proven fact that 20% of the taxpayers pay for 80% of taxes spent, so it is not possible to continue adding to deficit spending as the population surges. This includes Social Security which often pays out much more than was paid in...

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linda shawler's avatar

I understand exactly what you’re saying! Attempting to cut payments is unpopular because politicians

think it’s going to affect their voting bloc, and it will! No one wants to push the red button as Catherine Austin Fitz says!

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Wes T's avatar
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At least someone knows how it works with illegals. Their employers are still paying their taxes. Ok, so a handful don’t, our gardeners and the day laborer I pick up at the Home Depot. All the others working for restaurants, fast food chains, large framing conglomerates, etc, are paying taxes, and by the way, social security.

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Tom's avatar

RE: JOBS REPORT: the zillions of Federal employees coming off payroll OCT 1st! Yuge decline, then! RE: SS solvency: raise the $176100 SS tax wage limit to $1B, and then No Prob! Simple. TRW

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Mary Noble's avatar

Another good one by my favorite gadfly.

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