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Jimm Roberts's avatar

With no Constitutional requirement for a balanced budget, with no term limits imposed on members of Congress and with our Chief Executive exempt from laws applicable to all citizens, we have loopholes that allow abuse of the public purse; allow elected officials to stay in office by spending with no restraint and allow for a king called president who can wage war against anyone anywhere for any whim.

Unless corrected, I fear these flaws will untie the strings that bind us.

Paul Murray's avatar

Haha, what strings? Let it all crash. Then we have a chance for a new beginning. Otherwise? Misery for all, seemingly interminably. Best always. PM

Cartero Atómico's avatar

Not all, Paul. Just like during the CiOVID fiasco the big boys made out like bandits. The Theils and Zuckerbergs if the world already have their luxurious bolt holes ready.

Ed Burns's avatar

This observation is a bit late. You were fine with the obviously impaired dotard Biden and his scheming family intrigue selling access to his office. Corrupting our Intel and Justice leaders. With his Ukraine adventure where he held the Ukraine forces on a short leash even as we threw indeterminate amounts of money to them (through a Cypriot bank account) but now, when Trump proposes his own war directing our own forces on a tight schedule with a self-imposed deadline, we have a problem?

Look Jimm, no sane person wants a war but if Trumps "four to six week" engagement goes out to three or four months, producing a stalemate such as we still have in Ukraine, only then you can legitimately gripe - but stop with the "no Kings" BS, please. It's just all so unserious and performative.

Jimm Roberts's avatar

Ed, Your presumption is wrong.

More: I regard the Biden family in particular and the Democratic Party in general as responsible for our current national contretemps.

The former kept secret their patriarch's mental deterioration and the latter produced a woefully unsuited replacement to run for president.

Finally, "king" is an applicable description. It's perversely complimentary and far better and shorter than convicted felon, documented prevaricator, draft dodging coward, philander and Israeli puppet.

Ed Burns's avatar

My opposition stands. Only those supporting Kings would advocate for trampling laws on the books (immigration & Border Control), propose gerrymandering the Supreme Court or statehood for reliable Blue votes to come from Washington DC and Puerto Rico. If this isn't you, then it doesn't apply. But be honest, if you vote for democrats you're supporting these schemes.

When you continue to speak of Trump as a draft dodger, are you completely unaware of Biden avoiding the draft for that same Vietnam War by claiming Asthma?

I lived through that period and can fully attest that every smartassed college kid wore their effort at draft-dodging as a badge of honor. The same cabal of "elites" that today are instructing the kids in university to support Hamas. Not so unlike Hanoi Jane Fonda posing for the cameras with the North Vietnamese in the late 1960's.

That Trump's "felony conviction" was for his slandering of E. Jean Carroll over her accusation of rape in a crowded NYC department store dressing room (are dressing rooms soundproofed in NYC?) and in a store whose name she couldn't even recall?

In fact, while the original rape charge was dismissed, a conviction based on libel that was then recorded as a "sexual assault"?

Or are we talking about his conviction for abrogation of federal voter laws with a real estate loan in NYC, the product of fevered partisan imagination, which never actually happened?

He ran around during a divorce period. I'll give you that. I suppose that isn't too uncommon. Biden refused to acknowledge his own Granddaughter - a bit more unusual act of infidelity based on his disapproval of his son's choice of mother.

As to his being an "Israeli puppet" - really? Do alpha dog "Kings" normally kneel to others? Sounds like one or the other characterization is quite a bit off. Maybe a bit of antisemitism coming through, in search of a rationale?

Jimm Roberts's avatar

Ed, I recognize your passionate support for our current president.

Your rejoinders justifying or mitigating his conduct are equally passionate.

The certainly resonate with others but not with me.

Ed Burns's avatar

When I put an effort into pushing back, I’m actually speaking to others - as are you Jimm. May the best logic, and truth, win out. These things are bigger than either of us.

Paul McGinn's avatar

Yes I did like Jimm comment up the the King assertion 😎

Ed Burns's avatar

I watched the “No Kings” crowds on the news, but all I could see were Queens with signs.

Ed Burns's avatar

I think you need to re-read the SC ruling on the charges filed against Trump. The ruling held that the Executive cannot be held liable for decisions made within the duties of the office. However, any charges with regard to civil infractions could be pursued legally.

Jimm Roberts's avatar

Appreciate the clarification.

Ed Burns's avatar

Actually both civil and criminal code crimes, unrelated to official duty, is illegal.

Agent22Smith's avatar

No empire thinks the lessons of history apply to it. Wealth creates arrogance, complacency and entropy, which are inevitably fatal.

Conic Tonic's avatar

Fiat currencies more than wealth create arrogance, complacency etc ….

Breck Lebegue's avatar

‘There is nothing new under heaven’

Ecclesiastes

James ( Jim) Marshall's avatar

History proves this with every empire!

RANDALL R NORTON's avatar

60 years ago - oh my! Seems like only yesterday I was in Junior High and really had no clue. Some would claim I STILL have no clue but I can't blame Bon-Bon. Anyone can claim plus or minus of any given situation. I see the result simply as a waste of time to argue both sides - both can be argued. What CANNOT be argued (my perspective) is allowing Iran to develop the nuclear ability to destroy all the "non-believers". Europe should appreciate the US eliminating Iran's nuclear capacity.

Brien's avatar

Agree Randall. The other side of the argument is that the number one existential threat to the entire west is the Islamification of western civilization. It is well under way across Europe and is rapidly heading in the same direction in the US. The results are obvious to anyone paying attention. Unfortunately many are not. Islam is the only religion in the world that never joined the Enlightenment. Its gospel is the murder of every non-convert. Its creed is total subjugation and the establishment of Sharia law in every corner of public and private life. It’s adherants prefer death to the failure of their cause and only death will stop them. If they are not stopped they are guaranteed to succeed. Wars are terrible and costly. Many have been unjustifiable. If this war succeeds in stopping the engine of Radical Islam(Iran) from continuing the current trend of the onslaught and destruction of the west then it will have been a success. If not it will have failed.

James ( Jim) Marshall's avatar

I agree with Randall and Brian. Just ask yourself how you would feel about your 8 year old granddaughter being subjected to Islam and Sharia law. A bride at 8 years old!

We need to finish the mess in Iran.

Jim

Jimm Roberts's avatar

Some rejoinders:

--Like Christianity, there are within Islam a number of sects each with different interpretations of the Koran.

And like Christianity, Islam --with the exception of a minority of troglodyte believers in Iran and in Afghanistan seeking to re-establish ancient mores and dress -- it has become as tolerant as the followers of all other current religions.

--Iranians have been periodically attempting to rid themselves of their rigid theocracy. Thousands were killed while attempting to do so weeks before Trump began bombing them.

--Iran is not now and never has been a threat to the US or to Europe.

However, many Iranians are mindful that the US deposed its democratically elected prime minister to protect American firms' oil investments in Iran.

It is also mindful that the US funded Saddam Hussein to wage a long and destructive war against Iran, killing tens of thousands of Iranians.

--And don't forget MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). It's what keeps all nations possessing nuclear weapons from using them.

Inexplicably, the current government of Israel --which possess nuclear weapons--doesn't adhere to MAD at least as it applies to Iran.

James ( Jim) Marshall's avatar

Remember, Islam is the ONLY religion that advocates killing everyone who does not convert to Islam. Sounds like the best reason to eliminate the threat.

Jimm Roberts's avatar

Jim -- It's clear to me that you are going to hang on to your belief irrespective that it is a blustery demand proclaimed by a long, long dead messianic proselytizer who used the sword to acquire believers.

(The sword by the way can be viewed in a museum in Istanbul. The Ottoman Turks snatched it from a museum in Damascus in the 14th century as I recollect).

Muslim zealots do kill, but far and away each other and only rarely; most recently Shiite extremists murdered Sunni believers in a mosque in Pakistan.

And of course, Catholics murdered Protestants for years. And vise versa mostly in the 16th century. See St. Bartholomew's Massacre for details of a nasty god-feud during that era of extreme intolerance.

Regardless, unless you have evidence to the contrary, there is no worldwide appetite for a religious war.

Ed Burns's avatar

Jimm, The sword you speak of, so blithely, is still in use.

If you've ever spent time in the North African ME you would be familiar with weekly scenario:

The religious police banging their batons on the pavement as they herd everyone in the village Souk, into the village square, in order to witness the application of Sharia law.

There, the canings and amputations are administered in a manner that is intended to serve as a warning to all. This is the reality. This is why the vendors in the Souk can display Gold jewelry and other goods for sale, fully in the open, with very little concern for theft,

Jimm Roberts's avatar

Yes, I am aware of the Religious Police albeit only in Saudi Arabia.

I recall they once walked into an office in Riyad staffed by men and some of their wives. They were employed by a US defense contractor (from which I'm retired).

They chased the women out of the office with a staff no less.

And, in this country which features the Kabala -- the stone from which Mohammad leaped into heaven astride a while stallion -- there are different elevators for men and women.

But change is afoot: I'm told women can now drive cars in Saudi Arabia.

Finally, I am not aware of any amputations for theft, but there have been beheadings for murder and, of course, the Saudis murdered and dismembered Adnan Khashoggi, a reporter for US newspapers for finding fault with Saudi's rulers.

Ed Burns's avatar

Jimm, there are about 2,ooo,ooo adherents to Islam. In a survey published only a few years ago, it was stated that only 10% of those practitioners supported militant Islamism.

That would be about 200 million people as potential Jihadis..

Two-thirds the population of the United States...

Can we talk about 9-11, in context of the virtues of border security and the need for enforcing our immigration laws dully legislated and currently on the books, or should we be listening to the hordes of angry "progressives" that wish to ignore all signs of reality, yet are the first to stake out some claim to victimhood?

Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Sir, do you know that 9/11 was an inside job, correct?

Ed Burns's avatar

No. Although I’m aware of that theory. Personally speaking, I subscribe to the Islamist attack explanation Wahabists from SA specifically.

Jimm Roberts's avatar

Of course, we must implement our immigration laws.

I think you are conflating criticism of the harsh manner in which ICE is implementing them with "victimhood."

Murdering US citizens for protesting ICE's heavy hand is criminal. The masked shooters must be prosecuted.

Ed Burns's avatar

If the local elected authorities (like Walz or Prisker) worked with ICE to turnover criminal aliens in a secure environment such as a Jail - which is what is requested, the predictable nutjob Drama Club kids losing their lives in the streets could be entirely avoided.

Hold the leadership in these Blue cities liable for these "deaths by cop" episodes - not those doing a tough job and being threatened by male-loathing dykes in cars or some D-bag who decides it's a good idea to physically impose himself in an arrest by uniformed officers, while wearing a gun visibly strapped on his hip.

Have you ever heard of the Darwin Awards? Generally awarded posthumously to the stupidest people on the planet in appreciation for their self-imposed death sentence before they procreate.

In the case of the woman steering her car into an officer with a gun trained on her, she can't get the award as her own child was in the car when she made her stupid choice.

Not sure about the Drama Club kid with a real gun, playacting as Rambo.

Invector's avatar

"𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙭𝙘𝙚𝙥𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙖 𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙤𝙧𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙧𝙤𝙜𝙡𝙤𝙙𝙮𝙩𝙚 𝙗𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙄𝙧𝙖𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙞𝙣 𝘼𝙛𝙜𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙣"

Unfortunately, they aren't all in Iran and Afghanistan, Jimm.

We have some right here at home.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/radical-michigan-imam-urges-muslims-to-embrace-jihad/

Worm Farmer extraordinaire's avatar

Yet so many people want to say this is not so. Islam Is incompatible With the west

Ed Burns's avatar

Have you ever witnessed footage of "The Martyrs Day" parade in Iran? A day where hundreds of men in white dress flog themselves bloody while chanting "Death to Israel - Death to America' In droning unison...

What was all that stuff about the appeal to reason in the MAD policy again?

Cartero Atómico's avatar

What evidence to you have that Iran would destroy all the non-believers if they acquired nukes? We learn a very biased history - no mention of the CIA coup in 1953 and the installation of a corrupt dictator the Shah, nor if the fact that the US significant military aid to Iraq when they invaded Iran in 1980 resulting inore than 200,000 casualties. Maybe we should take a look in the mirror?

But if you worried about nukes, take a look at Israel's Samson Option. They have over 200 nukes that they will use if they find themselves losing. Since they've already attacked the USS Liberty and killed US sailors, perhaps the US might be on their target list if we don't give them what they want.

RANDALL R NORTON's avatar

History is just that - history. US presidents change and the results often differ the controlling electorate. I don't believe Iran's history changes its intentions from elected officials every four or eight years and I don't believe pushback by the civilians is allowed. The control of that country was/is established and not subject to change. The death squads, as I understand, also make certain "the people" do as they are told. Again, my understanding of that country is its use of nuclear weaponry to advance a long term belief of eliminating the non-believers.

Cartero Atómico's avatar

History just history? If the shoe was on the other foot and China overthrew our government and installed a dictator would you harbor ill feelings toward China. Then China provided military aid to Mexico for an invasion of the US resulting in over 200,000 casualties, would you feel that's just water under the bridge now and then be surprised if your neighbors chanted Death to China?

RANDALL R NORTON's avatar

US government Presidency doesn't need to be overthrown because Pres is not appointed for lifetime. Your comparison is not the same. Iran doesn't have the freedom for "the people" to vote who runs the country.

Cartero Atómico's avatar

Since you state that Iran doesn't have the freedom to vote for who runs the country, would you also be in favor of bombing Saudi Arabia and Bahrein since they do not have elections? Plus,Bahrein has more political prisoners per population than Iran. Isn't "democracy" more important than foreign alliances in your book?

RANDALL R NORTON's avatar

I don't think SA and B have nuclear weaponry. Makes a difference if a country is always publicly "death to America" and focuses on such things. What was it all about with bring down the towers? Were they just off course or trying to end US lives? How many lessons should a country learn before it prepares to protect itself? If we go back in history I think there is plenty to be unhappy about - for everyone. I'm done with replies. Neither will change their perspectives. This is simply wasting time. Bye-Bye.

Cartero Atómico's avatar

Unfortunately they don't have a history course "Coups of the CIA and Blowback is a Bitch". In 1953 the CIA overthrew the democratically elected Iranian president and installed the Shah, a brutal and corrupt dictator. The hypothetical question was what would Randall do if the Chinese did the same thing to us? Would you harbor ill will towards China? And skip the democracy bullshit - when you have a choice between Obama/McCain, Bush/Kerry, Trump/Biden, etc your democracy is a fraud. Or as one wise man once said - No matter who you vote for you get a John McCain.

Paul Murray's avatar

If, indeed, the US has done so, yes. Best always. PM

BRUCE MCKEON's avatar

And the squeeze that the end of WW1 put on the Germans for “reparations” led to Hitler and WW2 in a few short years. We haven’t learned anything.

Paul Murray's avatar

"would consider himself greatly aggrieved and much surprised at the least interference."

Obviously, Keynes could not conceive, nor did he experience, TSA procedures at an airport, or flying in the cattle-car hold known as "coach" in "modern" air travel. Best always. PM

Scott Bernstein's avatar

I don't know what news feed you were watching but no one in their right mind thought the US was going to stage an invasion this weekend. The biggest splat in the media was No Kings Day. I'm still mystified about the marches in England but then stupid is as stupid does.

Lately, no matter the commentary Israel always seems to appear as the cause of all the world's problems and of course those problems are created by their all-powerful lobby. I must be confused but I thought New York City was the second Jerusalem but somehow Mamdani became Mayor. That doesn't bode well for the local lobby.

How about the national lobby? Well, the top spending lobbying organizations in DC are (drum roll please): 1. The National Association of Realtors; 2. U.S. Chamber of Commerce; 3. Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA); 4. Big Tech (Amazon/Meta). Truth be told (which is what I thought was the goal) Israel doesn't even appear in the top 20!

The story in the middle east is deep and complex. However, let's go to the root. Judaism introduced Monotheism. From that came two Monotheistic religions: Christianity and the Muslim religion (different from Islamism), and historically, both have worked nonstop to subordinate or eliminate the Jewish voice and dominate the world. Notice the conflict isn't between Hindus and Jews or Buddhists and Jews or Confucianism, Taoism, Shinto, Sikhism or even Jainism. If we are even going to make sense of what is happening, we need to dig to the root cause and that will help us understand the cause and effect that headlines never capture and is probably beyond the control of a 'King' or lobbyist.

Xavier Narutowicz's avatar

All empires have a genesis in people: The Romans, England, Americans. People have values, traits, an enervating beginning, suffering, determination, strong individuality. Success brings about a flaccid deterioration.

Ralph Waldo Emerson sings the praises of Englishmen in “Traits of the English.” It could be the story of Americans. It is the story of Romans.

The present American is rubbish, a natural cyclical phenomenon of empires. It is the pervasive theme of the Old Testament; they always wax strong and become weak, depending on the mentality.

Ed Burns's avatar

It's not just "passionate support for our President". It's passionate support for our legal system, based on our Constitution and girded by common sense.

Ed Burns's avatar

This write-up is classic Bonner. On point and highly correlative. The $200bn that Trump now needs for Iran is not much more than the debt so recently incurred by Biden on behalf of his Ukraine war, not to mention his stillborn "Green Energy" chimera. Not that it takes away from the overall thesis of the nature of destructive levels of debt, mind you. It's just that there are no solutions, only alternative paths to ruin.

Whether one chooses to invest in government driven schemes to unionize public education or a losing war on poverty or a war for energy, both here and there, it all comes at an unsustainable cost.

Should we have just shrugged as Iran built it's nuclear arsenal and allow a religious and nihilist cult of bloody-minded followers to credibly threaten first world civilizations with it?

I suppose some would say yes, although I wouldn't.

I often ponder Orwell's 1984 where the world becomes divided into geographic power centers and then dynamically held together by pursuing "forever wars".

Because, when a dominant power relaxes its grip, to barbarians, its diplomatic conversation smells of weakness. When on the march, whether for acquisition of territory or to uphold and enforce "universal values" or world trade order, it is seen as strength - until it isn't - at that mundane moment when the bill arrives.

Either way, it all will come at a cost, will surely attract charlatans, and thus, will also invite reprisal, either domestically or on the international front. "No good deed (or bad) will go unpunished". So, perhaps it all just comes down to choosing whether to "die on your knees or on your feet".

Amor Fati!

Kevin Johnson's avatar

"(One hypothesis about why the US went into the war on the side of the UK, rather than the Germans, was simply that its bankers had lent the English more money.)"

Nah, it's because Judaism declared war on Germany and the hapless homicidal drunk Churchill was happy to oblige.

https://whiterabbit.substack.com/p/david-irving-winston-churchill-drunken

pete's avatar

BS. All wars are banker wars. Full stop.

Kevin Johnson's avatar

Hitler banned usury so to be more specific, Judaic banksters declared war on Germany.

Paul Murray's avatar

It didn't help that the Egyptians lied to Eisenhower. Even he was surprised. Best always. PM

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Ze's avatar

Just an observation:

You said “The two sides didn’t hate each other”…..

I bag to differ…. The Iranian regime hated the IS with passion and zeal…. For the past 45 years they continuously chanted “Death to America, death to the Big Satan”….

If this is when they “don’t hate”, I wonder what it means when they do…

Ed Burns's avatar

We do differ...

JayCee's avatar

We so often forget basic flaw in human arrogance of being all seeing and yet an inherent inability to dictate with assurance and guarantee, what the future that is tomorrow holds based on studying today, what are the unexpected, unplanned negatives and positives of yesterday.

History has many lessons recorded and we are lead to think or are brainwashed to believe, will dictate inevitabilities and expectations.

It is why Q.E.D. as an abbreviation for the Latin phrase ‘quod erat demonstrandum,’ meaning "that which was to be demonstrated", is mathematical and completely inappropriate for use in considering history as the basis of dictating what is probably, might, could be going to happen next, whether crypto replaces gold or China and renminbi or Islam will rule the world next week…

Cartero Atómico's avatar

Why do you believe it is necessary for our country, already deeply in depth, should go further in debt to overthrow the Iranian government and prevent them from getting nukes? Why do you believe it's okay for Israel to have nukes even though they've already attacked a US naval vessel, the USS Liberty, and have the Samson Option?

Why do you believe that it's okay for Marco Rubio to say we attacked Iran in the middle of negotiations because we knew Israel was going to attack? And that's knowing that the Oman Foreign Minister and mediator stated on Friday before the sneak attack that negotiations were progressing? And if you believe Trump was correct would you encourage your loved ones to enlist and put their lives in harm's way for this war, all the time knowing that no one in the Trump family has or will serve in the military and that both Trump and his grandfather were draft dodgers. Even Fred Trump avoided WWII staying in NYC making a fortune.